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05-11-2015 | 07:29 PM

#81

Bellanca

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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom

That "rule" is as a result of legislation requiring it, change will be impossible without legislation to change it, good luck finding a politician who will fall on that sword. Decreasing safety to allow airlines more profits by hiring underqualified candidates.

Well not if the politicians can spin a revised law into a law that makes aviation safer because of higher training standards for pilots...

Double the minimum amount of sim time, 100 hours of IOE and some extra ground school could sound very convincing to 535 idiots (most without any aviation background) and their constituents...

05-11-2015 | 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

I stand corrected on Renslow, but he obviously had the hours at the time of the accident, and that didn't help the outcome. He had a history of performance and professional issues that weren't addressed, that has more to do with his competence than the hours.

A multitude of things changed that would have not had Renslow captain on that flight. On top of that, Colgan may not of even existed or at the very least been flying that flight. Take a wild stab at who was doing that flying a year prior and why Colgan replaced them.

Cost, cost, cost

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Yes.. but his progression would have been delayed about 1,000 hours so he probably wouldn't have been a Captain yet.

I talk about things I know. cheers

05-11-2015 | 07:35 PM

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Cyborgmudhen

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Originally Posted by tom11011

Cleveland was losing it's hub status long, long ago. Don't be fooled, Continental was pulling out long ago, prior to pilot shortages and mergers.

Let me take you back 5 years into the past.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/artic...its-hub-status

Cleveland business community is zeroing in on how to keep Cleveland's nonstop flights from vanishing | cleveland.com

;;grins;;
There 'tis; the rationalization that dictates a major metropolitan area is back woods.

There is the 'airline world', where CLE has been losing it's hub status for years, and then there is the real world- the one where a metro area of over 2 million people is not exactly small town. It's this type of 'thinking' that results in the increasingly less precise decisions that will make the pilot pay/population shortage impossible to ignore.

05-11-2015 | 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

Pilots have to gain that experience now BEFORE getting to their first 121. They have to go scare themselves and learn the hard way when it's just them in a Cessna. People bash flying bug smashers for 750 hours but you do learn a lot in that time, especially if you are an instructor. Before the ATP rule, many captains where getting their first real pic time when they had 40 SOBs in their aircraft!

05-12-2015 | 04:18 AM

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Not sure what you think the First Officer is supposed to be doing, but from day one its gathering experience. An engaged first officer (not one who spend their time reading and listening to iPod) should be involved in the decision making process and most importantly seeing the results of the decisions after the fact. This is quite valuable and I find it more germain to what's required in the airline operation than turns around a point and getting a student to their first solo.

05-12-2015 | 04:27 AM

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You guys really do have ADD....RAH is canceling flights and can't staff their flying....back on track chaps

05-12-2015 | 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tothebigblue

You guys really do have ADD....RAH is canceling flights and can't staff their flying....back on track chaps

Was the extension of Delta flying unexpected by RAH?

05-12-2015 | 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bellanca

Don't think so 535 idiots know Kryptonite when they see/smell it, they won't come within a mile of stepping on this pile of steamers. Political suicide, to be associated with a degradation of the "new/improved" pilot standards and to to be responsible for the next German Wings incident via lowering time and experience standards.

05-12-2015 | 05:41 AM

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Was the extension of Delta flying unexpected by RAH?

According to mgmt, yes.

Of course, pilots being unhappy and not wanting to work on their days off is a surprise to them too. This is what happens when you have a mgmt team that is not involved in the day to day ops, even on a limited basis. Total disconnect and "surprise" at every corner.

It's unfortunate.

05-12-2015 | 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom

Apples to oranges, the German Wings crash was not a result of low time or experience. That was more a result from poor screening/phyc eval. And company procedures