Undermining the profession yet again ?
09-14-2015 | 06:41 PM
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Let me see if I have this correct. The future at Envoy is starting to look brighter. The flow is working. We are receiving new aircraft. We are actually starting to get new hires. And a guy who flies for AA can't stand it. So much so, he starts a new thread in the regional section, and digs up some "dirt" on the Envoy MEC. Answers multiple posts, i.e. spends a lot of time and effort in his endeavor.
When I graduated from high school I never went back. Does EagleFly still wear his varisity jacket?
When I graduated from high school I never went back. Does EagleFly still wear his varisity jacket?
09-14-2015 | 08:03 PM
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He is definitely a bitter little man. The only logical thing I can come up with is that the flow took so long for him that he can't stand to see it work out better for anyone else. The only guy I ever flew with that was that disgruntled and mad at the world was Capt Gold. Fits eaglefly's personality to the T. I think I will start calling him Ron.
09-14-2015 | 08:06 PM
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Lol, but Ron has always been WAY too busy under-blocking, eating cereal, bouncing off the walls being spastic, going through 4-5 financial magazines, chatting on chubbychaser.com or hogbeast-tinder, shadow boxing in the jetbridge or doing push-ups on the ramp to EVER have the time for APC posting.
I think we know what Captain AU is up to these days.
Oh, Ryan...your previous assessment of eaglefly was spot on. SPOT-ON! Just wanted to point that out without quoting your post.
09-14-2015 | 08:06 PM
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You mean exactly like what you have been doing for months with your one man army scheme to try and destroy the livelihood of thousands of Envoy employee's under the BS guise of "the only one telling the truth"?
Desperately trying every day to sway anyone from ever coming to Envoy with thousands of posts about us (even though you don't work here). Of course you are doing this AFTER you have left and are safely at AA.. Also of course "you" would benefit personally from an AA feed demise as a current AA pilot if we all got shut down and lost our jobs.. right? ("Strengthen yourself at the downfall of others", right?) I know you never tried your best to harm your current employment or sabotage your ride to AA while you actually still worked here..
Someone MUST have done something to you here to make you want this place to fail so much (now that you have safely flowed through of course, and your livelihood doesn't depend on it anymore). Did an Eagle manager touch your pee pee in the back room or what? Did someone at Eagle molest you for all the years you were stuck here? What is your deal?
What is your obsession with constantly trying to harm everyone from your last job? Shouldn't you be focusing on AA now? Plenty of problems over there to argue over in the Major's forum.
I don't know why, according to you, anyone that actually works here and posts information about what is happening with is just a "salesman". Apparently we are all saying the same things.. It's not like people are trying to hide things. If people ask about what we do/don't like here, we tell them. If people ask about long upgrades and flow times, we tell them why and why that is changing..
Desperately trying every day to sway anyone from ever coming to Envoy with thousands of posts about us (even though you don't work here). Of course you are doing this AFTER you have left and are safely at AA.. Also of course "you" would benefit personally from an AA feed demise as a current AA pilot if we all got shut down and lost our jobs.. right? ("Strengthen yourself at the downfall of others", right?) I know you never tried your best to harm your current employment or sabotage your ride to AA while you actually still worked here..
Someone MUST have done something to you here to make you want this place to fail so much (now that you have safely flowed through of course, and your livelihood doesn't depend on it anymore). Did an Eagle manager touch your pee pee in the back room or what? Did someone at Eagle molest you for all the years you were stuck here? What is your deal?
What is your obsession with constantly trying to harm everyone from your last job? Shouldn't you be focusing on AA now? Plenty of problems over there to argue over in the Major's forum.
I don't know why, according to you, anyone that actually works here and posts information about what is happening with is just a "salesman". Apparently we are all saying the same things.. It's not like people are trying to hide things. If people ask about what we do/don't like here, we tell them. If people ask about long upgrades and flow times, we tell them why and why that is changing..
SPOT ON!
09-15-2015 | 03:08 AM
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He is definitely a bitter little man. The only logical thing I can come up with is that the flow took so long for him that he can't stand to see it work out better for anyone else. The only guy I ever flew with that was that disgruntled and mad at the world was Capt Gold. Fits eaglefly's personality to the T. I think I will start calling him Ron.
I don't know why someone would be so ungrateful to **** over the company that moved him to AA. Here's some thinking...
He might waited 13-16 years to flow, but how much of those years he expend being a Sr CA making 100k or more? Having weekends off, moved to AA with 5 weeks vacations and yet still bashing envoy pilots trying to make this place better.
We all know that the regionals are a ticking bomb, the first ones to go are the first ones unable to pay their pilots or going red trying to pay them. We can see that with MESA TA, they can't pay their pilot because they don't have enough profit margins.
09-15-2015 | 05:51 AM
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Please, if my regional closes its doors tomorrow, I'll buy a ticket and fly home. I have absolute faith that I'll land on my feet and my family will not starve. No one flying for a regional will become destitute of their airline closes. We are all college affected, intelligent, motivated individuals. And some of us even have a back up plan.
Envoy offering better pay for other regionals' pilots is not the end of the world. In fact, I welcome it wholeheartedly! I want all airlines competing against other airlines for pilot services. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever letting the better run, more nimble and innovative airlines surviving or thriving while regionals like mine wither on the vine. Maybe that competition will force other regionals to compensate their pilots more as well. I rather have that than the alternative of not too long ago of MECs agreeing to concessions for fleet growth and then another MEC doing it and then another MEC doing it and then the next MEC feeling like they have no choice but to do the same.
I honestly feel you need to step back and really think about what you are saying. Anytime companies are willing to pay more, the better. Prospective employees choose with their feet. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Envoy offering better pay for other regionals' pilots is not the end of the world. In fact, I welcome it wholeheartedly! I want all airlines competing against other airlines for pilot services. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever letting the better run, more nimble and innovative airlines surviving or thriving while regionals like mine wither on the vine. Maybe that competition will force other regionals to compensate their pilots more as well. I rather have that than the alternative of not too long ago of MECs agreeing to concessions for fleet growth and then another MEC doing it and then another MEC doing it and then the next MEC feeling like they have no choice but to do the same.
I honestly feel you need to step back and really think about what you are saying. Anytime companies are willing to pay more, the better. Prospective employees choose with their feet. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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09-15-2015 | 05:58 AM
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It's gotten to the point that virtually everyone now has either Stockholm Syndrome, Batttered Wife syndrome or a combination of both and can no longer think straight. We have union reps at Envoy who now ACTIVELY work on managements behalf and think that's a good thing. Some of the comments and rationale on this forum prove that daily. I see a bleak future for many as simply assuming the pilot shortage alone will solve the problems for pilots with that them standing around doing nothing expecting someone or something else to solve their problems.
If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
....and just what do most regional pilots have now ?
09-15-2015 | 06:02 AM
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Why are people even arguing with this tool? He's a troll who literally created a debate in which nobody is on his side. He's also the only pilot out of the 10,000 plus at AA who devote any free time they have to arguing on a regional pilot forum. The guys got issues and I'm surprised he can maintain a medical.
In fact, if you're coming to AA in the next few years, you're in for a rude awakening if you'll be very junior come time for section 6 in 2019. Ironically, it's guys like you who will then be screaming on these forums and elsewhere the loudest when the majority are willing to erode your job security or compensation path for their own extra pay increase.
09-15-2015 | 06:06 AM
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Hey, the Envoy sales team (of which are virtually all the dissenters on this thread and comprise a team of perhaps a dozen specific minions of a specific anti-labor group and a few management lackey's) is responding here by CHOICE. No one specifically asked you to join this thread, so don't blame me if you CHOOSE to do that.
Don't like the topic ?
Then don't participate.
09-15-2015 | 06:11 AM
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You mean exactly like what you have been doing for months with your one man army scheme to try and destroy the livelihood of thousands of Envoy employee's under the BS guise of "the only one telling the truth"?
Desperately trying every day to sway anyone from ever coming to Envoy with thousands of posts about us (even though you don't work here). Of course you are doing this AFTER you have left and are safely at AA.. Also of course "you" would benefit personally from an AA feed demise as a current AA pilot if we all got shut down and lost our jobs.. right? ("Strengthen yourself at the downfall of others", right?) I know you never tried your best to harm your current employment or sabotage your ride to AA while you actually still worked here..
Someone MUST have done something to you here to make you want this place to fail so much (now that you have safely flowed through of course, and your livelihood doesn't depend on it anymore). Did an Eagle manager touch your pee pee in the back room or what? Did someone at Eagle molest you for all the years you were stuck here? What is your deal?
What is your obsession with constantly trying to harm everyone from your last job? Shouldn't you be focusing on AA now? Plenty of problems over there to argue over in the Major's forum.
I don't know why, according to you, anyone that actually works here and posts information about what is happening with is just a "salesman". Apparently we are all saying the same things.. It's not like people are trying to hide things. If people ask about what we do/don't like here, we tell them. If people ask about long upgrades and flow times, we tell them why and why that is changing..
Desperately trying every day to sway anyone from ever coming to Envoy with thousands of posts about us (even though you don't work here). Of course you are doing this AFTER you have left and are safely at AA.. Also of course "you" would benefit personally from an AA feed demise as a current AA pilot if we all got shut down and lost our jobs.. right? ("Strengthen yourself at the downfall of others", right?) I know you never tried your best to harm your current employment or sabotage your ride to AA while you actually still worked here..
Someone MUST have done something to you here to make you want this place to fail so much (now that you have safely flowed through of course, and your livelihood doesn't depend on it anymore). Did an Eagle manager touch your pee pee in the back room or what? Did someone at Eagle molest you for all the years you were stuck here? What is your deal?
What is your obsession with constantly trying to harm everyone from your last job? Shouldn't you be focusing on AA now? Plenty of problems over there to argue over in the Major's forum.
I don't know why, according to you, anyone that actually works here and posts information about what is happening with is just a "salesman". Apparently we are all saying the same things.. It's not like people are trying to hide things. If people ask about what we do/don't like here, we tell them. If people ask about long upgrades and flow times, we tell them why and why that is changing..
If you've got nothing to hide, then let others disseminate what is true and not true. Your teams goal is to get people to come to Envoy and you become angry if anyone else provides another opinion on the risks. Heck, if ANYONE wants proof of that, pay $5 and join Eaglelounge where the same pilots as here (many with different handles, but some with the same) ADMIT it.
Most of the EST'ers here have no credibility when they freely admit there what they try to deny here.
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