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Old 07-26-2014 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Your tune has sure changed...
Went to a town hall meeting and just conveying what I heard. From bb's lips to my ears
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Old 07-26-2014 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Actually, you're wrong again. This company operates in the details...it has eroded the provisions of the previous contract in a manner that has angered most of the pilots of this company to the point that we've decided that we will allow no more of it. We've taken a stand against poor contract language that allows the company to treat us like immigrant labor that has no recourse against abuses.

We are taking stand...if you don't feel that way, at least shut up and let the people willing to stick their necks out to make the place better handle the situation while you sit back, make your comfortable living as a captain and biatch about and ridicule those that are actually taking risks and making sacrifices to improve our collective quality of life.

Also, how is my choice not to use your full quote relevant? It's available for everyone to read, and it's not like people familiar with your posts don't know that you're little more than a company stooge....deal with it.
Harsh words, don't ya think? You are embarrassing our union my unleashing such a foul tongue on someone who doesn't agree with you. Your antics remind me of those of a certain political party in this country.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
The CS100 has flown. I've seen it myself in ICT. The CS300 on the other hand has not (as far as I am aware). The fact of the matter is BB has the 40 firm orders in hand and the pilot group must operate under the assumption that he wants them on property (the pay-scales weren't even in the failed TA). The way I see it is he could have garnered more cash if he would have included them in the Frontier deal. Who knows, maybe he tried and Indigo didn't want anything to do with them. This may turn out to be yet another failed investment by BB and Company. With the history of this company it would not surprise me.

Sorry for being Captain Obvious and not really contributing to the discussion but as it stands today a purely FFD "regional" airline has orders for an up-to 160 seat aircraft and I think is prudent to take some notice. I guess I'll sit back and watch the show. It will be interesting.
I think that you're responding to a sarcastic comment about IBT national's negotiating team telling Local 357's membership that the reason they didn't bother negotiating C-series rates in the failed TA is that the aircraft wouldn't be in service by the time the TA was amendable, which was laughable considering the current contract has been amendable for nearly 7 years AND the method by which rates for new aircraft has failed to produce acceptable pay and for the Q400 by leaving the union out of the process completely....it is yet another example of the "weak contract language" for which so many of us voted NO.

I can't remember specifically if the statement was made about the aircraft not having flown yet, but I seem to remember something to that effect. Regardless, it was a real bonehead move on the IBT NT's part.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's what "brokeasspilot" meant.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Loon
Harsh words, don't ya think? You are embarrassing our union my unleashing such a foul tongue on someone who doesn't agree with you. Your antics remind me of those of a certain political party in this country.
If you don't mind my asking, you've completely destroyed any credibility that you have by lying to people about the number of "days off" you receive and proven yourself to be little more than a troll, so how can you even show your face on here anymore? Do you really think that anyone takes you seriously? Are you living one of these "legend in your own mind" fantasies?

I'm sure that most people, like me, realized that you were a complete joke when, after all your biatching about the union, couldn't even take 5 minutes to fill out a survey to help shape the next round of contract negotiations. Such a task truly was the "least that you can do," and you wouldn't even do that. Hell, you probably spend that much time on this board every couple of hours complaining about the union's inept ways, but you won't even tell them what you want when you constantly whine about their inability to deliver whatever the hell it is you want? What kind of a complete moron does that?

Anyway, what I wrote to Karma applies even more so to you. I'm willing to bet that Karma, like most, actually took the time to complete the survey.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Loon
They will be operated thru an alliance(e.g. star, one-world etc).
So RAH will be their own airline then? BB couldn't make it happen with an already established airline. Nice try though.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So RAH will be their own airline then? BB couldn't make it happen with an already established airline. Nice try though.
I'm not sure what you're saying. No sarcasm. Why couldn't he establish "his own(branded) airline?
And why add "nice try"? I'm not condoning him starting "his own airline". I'm simply conveying what I heard at town hall. Were you a flow thru our something?
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Old 07-26-2014 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
If you don't mind my asking, you've completely destroyed any credibility that you have by lying to people about the number of "days off" you receive and proven yourself to be little more than a troll, so how can you even show your face on here anymore? Do you really think that anyone takes you seriously? Are you living one of these "legend in your own mind" fantasies?

I'm sure that most people, like me, realized that you were a complete joke when, after all your biatching about the union, couldn't even take 5 minutes to fill out a survey to help shape the next round of contract negotiations. Such a task truly was the "least that you can do," and you wouldn't even do that. Hell, you probably spend that much time on this board every couple of hours complaining about the union's inept ways, but you won't even tell them what you want when you constantly whine about their inability to deliver whatever the hell it is you want? What kind of a complete moron does that?

Anyway, what I wrote to Karma applies even more so to you. I'm willing to bet that Karma, like most, actually took the time to complete the survey.
You and magnum are quite the pieces of work. Are you one in the same? If I destroyed any "credibility" it is only because you don't want to realize the truth. As far as the union goes, we have buried the hatchet. They took care of my grievance(s), we kissed and made up and all is well. Now why don't you expand your mind and stop hating so much those that don't agree with your every thought(like mama does)?
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Old 07-26-2014 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Loon
I'm not sure what you're saying. No sarcasm. Why couldn't he establish "his own(branded) airline?
And why add "nice try"? I'm not condoning him starting "his own airline". I'm simply conveying what I heard at town hall. Were you a flow thru our something?
If the planes will be operated through a code share, or an alliance, will RAH not have to be it's own airline? RAH will have to pay for fuel, maintenance, aircraft lease payments, ticketing systems, reservation systems, luggage tracking, training, etc. No? Frontier already had those things in place. No start up costs. It blew up in his face. We aren't talking about a FFD setup here. Which is the only thing BB has been successful at running.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
If the planes will be operated through a code share, or an alliance, will RAH not have to be it's own airline? RAH will have to pay for fuel, maintenance, aircraft lease payments, ticketing systems, reservation systems, luggage tracking, training, etc. No? Frontier already had those things in place. No start up costs. It blew up in his face. We aren't talking about a FFD setup here. Which is the only thing BB has been successful at running.
You know, I think that Loon is a complete troll, but I actually agree that Bedford has his sights on an arrangement with a foreign carrier or consortium of carriers to operate those C-Series aircraft. Bedford's FFD operation is falling apart at the seams, I think he knows that the regional model in it's current form is unsustainable, and is therefore looking for a post mega-regional era business plan.

I won't be around long enough to care, but RJET's pilots need to have meaningful C-Series rates in the next TA, otherwise they're gonna be flying those things around for regional jet rates for YEARS after the next contract becomes amendable while the company, with the NMB in it's pocket, again drags out negotiations for the better part of a decade.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Bedford's FFD operation is falling apart at the seams, I think he knows that the regional model in it's current form is unsustainable, and is therefore looking for a post mega-regional era business plan.
There is no way to compete with wholly owned carriers cost structures.
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