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Old 07-25-2014, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 View Post
So they will be operated as a stand alone carrier and sell their own tickets and pay their own bills? Star Alliance, One World, and Skyteam are code-sharing joint ventures with the ability to collaborate on schedules. Everyone is still selling their own tickets.
Ok I'm not completely up on the legalities and contracts with certain mainline carriers so if I overstep please feel free to enlighten me.

If you go on a carriers website and book from a certain point A to C connecting in B you can actually purchase seats on another carriers flights. For example you could have booked a leg on US Airways through United's booking site.

Now what I am getting at is what is stopping United, Delta, etc. from simply telling Republic what routes to fly the C-Series on and selling all the seats on that carriers own booking site? They could even include the fuel costs etc. in the agreement. So on the surface there would be little change to the operation from where it is now...only on much larger aircraft.

Also, what is to stop BB from operating the C-Series under a foreign carriers livery and conducting US domestic operations under a FFD type agreement?
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:20 PM
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Scope also limits amount of code share. Also you don't want cabotage to happen here with the foreign carriers! Look what happened to the US maritime industry...
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jvw700 View Post
Scope also limits amount of code share. Also you don't want cabotage to happen here with the foreign carriers! Look what happened to the US maritime industry...
Thanks. I was not advocating for cabotage. If I were displaced to the C-Series to fly either of the scenarios I stated I would rather resign instead of risking tarnishing my name flying under a shady agreement like either of those.

Edit: My above statement still stands but wouldn't it only be cabotage if the aircraft were registered to a foreign carrier or the pilots were foreign? I am talking about Republic N-registered aircraft operated by Republic pilots operating US routes for a foreign carrier.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg View Post
Thanks. I was not advocating for cabotage. If I were displaced to the C-Series to fly either of the scenarios I stated I would rather resign instead of risking tarnishing my name flying under a shady agreement like either of those.
I think it's a given that 5-10 years from now the current airline model will look very different.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jvw700 View Post
I think it's a given that 5-10 years from now the current airline model will look very different.
I agree. In the meantime I was simply speculating what BB could want the C-Series for or what a "regional" operation would look like operating it.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg View Post
I agree. In the meantime I was simply speculating what BB could want the C-Series for or what a "regional" operation would look like operating it.
Not sure.. My guess would be he's hoping for scope to be relaxed even more and wants delivery slots or could be branded flying.. Who knows but as of right now it's way too big and way outside scope..
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jvw700 View Post
Not sure.. My guess would be he's hoping for scope to be relaxed even more and wants delivery slots or could be branded flying.. Who knows but as of right now it's way too big and way outside scope..
And don't forget its way to not even built yet!
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:01 PM
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And don't forget its way to not even built yet!
The CS100 has flown. I've seen it myself in ICT. The CS300 on the other hand has not (as far as I am aware). The fact of the matter is BB has the 40 firm orders in hand and the pilot group must operate under the assumption that he wants them on property (the pay-scales weren't even in the failed TA). The way I see it is he could have garnered more cash if he would have included them in the Frontier deal. Who knows, maybe he tried and Indigo didn't want anything to do with them. This may turn out to be yet another failed investment by BB and Company. With the history of this company it would not surprise me.

Sorry for being Captain Obvious and not really contributing to the discussion but as it stands today a purely FFD "regional" airline has orders for an up-to 160 seat aircraft and I think is prudent to take some notice. I guess I'll sit back and watch the show. It will be interesting.
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Old 07-26-2014, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg View Post
The CS100 has flown. I've seen it myself in ICT. The CS300 on the other hand has not (as far as I am aware). The fact of the matter is BB has the 40 firm orders in hand and the pilot group must operate under the assumption that he wants them on property (the pay-scales weren't even in the failed TA). The way I see it is he could have garnered more cash if he would have included them in the Frontier deal. Who knows, maybe he tried and Indigo didn't want anything to do with them. This may turn out to be yet another failed investment by BB and Company. With the history of this company it would not surprise me.

Sorry for being Captain Obvious and not really contributing to the discussion but as it stands today a purely FFD "regional" airline has orders for an up-to 160 seat aircraft and I think is prudent to take some notice. I guess I'll sit back and watch the show. It will be interesting.
That thing is just a pipe dream for the lifers since their failed attempt to steal all the captain seats at F9 through that ridiculous seniority grab. How's that phenomenal new contract by the way?
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Old 07-26-2014, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg View Post
Ok I'm not completely up on the legalities and contracts with certain mainline carriers so if I overstep please feel free to enlighten me.

If you go on a carriers website and book from a certain point A to C connecting in B you can actually purchase seats on another carriers flights. For example you could have booked a leg on US Airways through United's booking site.

Now what I am getting at is what is stopping United, Delta, etc. from simply telling Republic what routes to fly the C-Series on and selling all the seats on that carriers own booking site? They could even include the fuel costs etc. in the agreement. So on the surface there would be little change to the operation from where it is now...only on much larger aircraft.

Also, what is to stop BB from operating the C-Series under a foreign carriers livery and conducting US domestic operations under a FFD type agreement?
Bingo.......
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