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04-20-2014, 02:42 PM
#91
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Originally Posted by FL450
Dreamtofly,
I like your enthusiam and the fact that you're pursuing your dream and not those of the disgruntled on here. I agree with many in that the airline industry as a whole will look a lot different once you obtain enough hours to qualify for the regional airlines. Forgive BZZT as he has always had a bad attitude about life in general. I worked at Eagle for over 3 years and loved every minute of it. There is life after the regionals and it's not always about qualifications but about attitude and desire.
I think you are headed in the right direction by doing your research and commend you for your efforts. If you want to grab lunch this week sometime I live in the Villanova area and would be more than happy to discuss some of your flight training options with you.
BZZT, please stop polluting the forums with constant negativity! We get the fact that you hate your life at Eagle but your elitist attitude is why you're still there.
I like your enthusiam and the fact that you're pursuing your dream and not those of the disgruntled on here. I agree with many in that the airline industry as a whole will look a lot different once you obtain enough hours to qualify for the regional airlines. Forgive BZZT as he has always had a bad attitude about life in general. I worked at Eagle for over 3 years and loved every minute of it. There is life after the regionals and it's not always about qualifications but about attitude and desire.
I think you are headed in the right direction by doing your research and commend you for your efforts. If you want to grab lunch this week sometime I live in the Villanova area and would be more than happy to discuss some of your flight training options with you.
BZZT, please stop polluting the forums with constant negativity! We get the fact that you hate your life at Eagle but your elitist attitude is why you're still there.
Someone brought up pyramid schemes in the eagle thread, this career is the ultimate pyramid scheme. A small percentage of guys reap the benefits while a large group toil at the bottom of the system with no hopes of climbing out of their squalor.
Edit: Just realized you wrote you spent 3 years at Eagle. I'm going to assume that was 3 total years at the regional level? Not everyone can be as connected or fill a quota as you were able to. I think you should step back and realize just how lucky you are.
04-20-2014, 02:51 PM
#92
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
How exactly is hating a bad job being elitist? I understand the idea of "paying your dues" you're going to have to do that in any career field out there. The problem with this particular career field is that the chances of making it out of the regional quagmire are only slightly better than winning the lottery. This has led many people spending half their earning years "paying their dues" and in some cases their entire careers.
Someone brought up pyramid schemes in the eagle thread, this career is the ultimate pyramid scheme. A small percentage of guys reap the benefits while a large group toil at the bottom of the system with no hopes of climbing out of their squalor.
Edit: Just realized you wrote you spent 3 years at Eagle. I'm going to assume that was 3 total years at the regional level? Not everyone can be as connected or fill a quota as you were able to. I think you should step back and realize just how lucky you are.
Someone brought up pyramid schemes in the eagle thread, this career is the ultimate pyramid scheme. A small percentage of guys reap the benefits while a large group toil at the bottom of the system with no hopes of climbing out of their squalor.
Edit: Just realized you wrote you spent 3 years at Eagle. I'm going to assume that was 3 total years at the regional level? Not everyone can be as connected or fill a quota as you were able to. I think you should step back and realize just how lucky you are.
04-20-2014, 03:39 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Edit: Just realized you wrote you spent 3 years at Eagle. I'm going to assume that was 3 total years at the regional level? Not everyone can be as connected or fill a quota as you were able to. I think you should step back and realize just how lucky you are.
Maybe you don't see it, but it sure seems like you have an attitude problem. Potential employers or even networking connections avoid the attitude problems, so consider working on that. Heck, if nothing else do it for your future health!
04-20-2014, 03:54 PM
#94
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1. Go take the AFOQT/TBAS
2. Get a package together for Air National Guard units.
-Pick your base and airplane.
-Excellent retirement and benefits.
-Serve your country.
-FREE flight training.
3. Let the dust settle at airlines and try it out later on. You will likely be able to skip regionals.
That was what I would of done if I was in today's market. I got lucky and got on at an airline at 19 with 1000TT back when that stupid 1500hr law wasn't around. I'm 22 now and on retirement from the RJ job while I learn to fly a 580,000 pound airplane and see the world.
Doesn't that sound much better than starving yourself through flight school and at a regional right now?
2. Get a package together for Air National Guard units.
-Pick your base and airplane.
-Excellent retirement and benefits.
-Serve your country.
-FREE flight training.
3. Let the dust settle at airlines and try it out later on. You will likely be able to skip regionals.
That was what I would of done if I was in today's market. I got lucky and got on at an airline at 19 with 1000TT back when that stupid 1500hr law wasn't around. I'm 22 now and on retirement from the RJ job while I learn to fly a 580,000 pound airplane and see the world.
Doesn't that sound much better than starving yourself through flight school and at a regional right now?
04-20-2014, 03:57 PM
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For some reason I do feel that many people that don't get interviewed at a legacy that it isn't just luck of the draw. Maybe it is more about you, who you networked with, who you got to know, what your GPA was in college, what you studied or literally how put together your resume is. What your work ethic is and attitude toward the job is. I do believe there are pilots who never get called in to interview for no reason at all, but I think that there is definitely a fraction I don't know how large or small of regional pilots who either don't try hard enough or do the wrong things trying to get interview / or while being interviewed who get stuck at the regionals.
Every single job in the world is tough when you start out and takes a while to get money. Those young 20 and 30 something year olds who are making close to and above 6 figures are just as much of a fraction as the guys the same age getting hired at a major. They don't get randomly selected, they work hard and network well. Bad attitudes do not usually coordinate with hard work and persistent drives that may get a pilot where he wants to be. Think about lawyers who spend way more than pilots trying to get those 6 figure jobs and only small fractions of them make that kind of money, or they must pay their dues for years the one difference is more lawyers got into law for money unlike pilots who got into aviation because they love it.
Like I said I believe that for some they just are unlucky but for a good amount I think it's there own fault. If you hate it and are miserable change careers, there are a ton of career changers into aviation, why not change out?
There are a ton of entry level jobs that pay way above regional FO pay? I honestly think that the people who would rather complain don't want to change because changing is hard and that's not what they want, which is probably why they will never get hired by a legacy. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to be a pilot and unless you have something constructive to say, and not just "this job sucks, stay away" don't waste my time or any pilots who are optimistic.
Every single job in the world is tough when you start out and takes a while to get money. Those young 20 and 30 something year olds who are making close to and above 6 figures are just as much of a fraction as the guys the same age getting hired at a major. They don't get randomly selected, they work hard and network well. Bad attitudes do not usually coordinate with hard work and persistent drives that may get a pilot where he wants to be. Think about lawyers who spend way more than pilots trying to get those 6 figure jobs and only small fractions of them make that kind of money, or they must pay their dues for years the one difference is more lawyers got into law for money unlike pilots who got into aviation because they love it.
Like I said I believe that for some they just are unlucky but for a good amount I think it's there own fault. If you hate it and are miserable change careers, there are a ton of career changers into aviation, why not change out?
There are a ton of entry level jobs that pay way above regional FO pay? I honestly think that the people who would rather complain don't want to change because changing is hard and that's not what they want, which is probably why they will never get hired by a legacy. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to be a pilot and unless you have something constructive to say, and not just "this job sucks, stay away" don't waste my time or any pilots who are optimistic.
04-20-2014, 04:13 PM
#96
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Originally Posted by DreamToFlyy
For some reason I do feel that many people that don't get interviewed at a legacy that it isn't just luck of the draw. Maybe it is more about you, who you networked with, who you got to know, what your GPA was in college, what you studied or literally how put together your resume is. What your work ethic is and attitude toward the job is. I do believe there are pilots who never get called in to interview for no reason at all, but I think that there is definitely a fraction I don't know how large or small of regional pilots who either don't try hard enough or do the wrong things trying to get interview / or while being interviewed who get stuck at the regionals.
Every single job in the world is tough when you start out and takes a while to get money. Those young 20 and 30 something year olds who are making close to and above 6 figures are just as much of a fraction as the guys the same age getting hired at a major. They don't get randomly selected, they work hard and network well. Bad attitudes do not usually coordinate with hard work and persistent drives that may get a pilot where he wants to be. Think about lawyers who spend way more than pilots trying to get those 6 figure jobs and only small fractions of them make that kind of money, or they must pay their dues for years the one difference is more lawyers got into law for money unlike pilots who got into aviation because they love it.
Like I said I believe that for some they just are unlucky but for a good amount I think it's there own fault. If you hate it and are miserable change careers, there are a ton of career changers into aviation, why not change out?
There are a ton of entry level jobs that pay way above regional FO pay? I honestly think that the people who would rather complain don't want to change because changing is hard and that's not what they want, which is probably why they will never get hired by a legacy. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to be a pilot and unless you have something constructive to say, and not just "this job sucks, stay away" don't waste my time or any pilots who are optimistic.
Every single job in the world is tough when you start out and takes a while to get money. Those young 20 and 30 something year olds who are making close to and above 6 figures are just as much of a fraction as the guys the same age getting hired at a major. They don't get randomly selected, they work hard and network well. Bad attitudes do not usually coordinate with hard work and persistent drives that may get a pilot where he wants to be. Think about lawyers who spend way more than pilots trying to get those 6 figure jobs and only small fractions of them make that kind of money, or they must pay their dues for years the one difference is more lawyers got into law for money unlike pilots who got into aviation because they love it.
Like I said I believe that for some they just are unlucky but for a good amount I think it's there own fault. If you hate it and are miserable change careers, there are a ton of career changers into aviation, why not change out?
There are a ton of entry level jobs that pay way above regional FO pay? I honestly think that the people who would rather complain don't want to change because changing is hard and that's not what they want, which is probably why they will never get hired by a legacy. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to be a pilot and unless you have something constructive to say, and not just "this job sucks, stay away" don't waste my time or any pilots who are optimistic.
04-20-2014, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DreamToFlyy
For some reason I do feel that many people that don't get interviewed at a legacy that it isn't just luck of the draw. Maybe it is more about you, who you networked with, who you got to know, what your GPA was in college, what you studied or literally how put together your resume is. What your work ethic is and attitude toward the job is. I do believe there are pilots who never get called in to interview for no reason at all, but I think that there is definitely a fraction I don't know how large or small of regional pilots who either don't try hard enough or do the wrong things trying to get interview / or while being interviewed who get stuck at the regionals.
Every single job in the world is tough when you start out and takes a while to get money. Those young 20 and 30 something year olds who are making close to and above 6 figures are just as much of a fraction as the guys the same age getting hired at a major. They don't get randomly selected, they work hard and network well. Bad attitudes do not usually coordinate with hard work and persistent drives that may get a pilot where he wants to be. Think about lawyers who spend way more than pilots trying to get those 6 figure jobs and only small fractions of them make that kind of money, or they must pay their dues for years the one difference is more lawyers got into law for money unlike pilots who got into aviation because they love it.
Like I said I believe that for some they just are unlucky but for a good amount I think it's there own fault. If you hate it and are miserable change careers, there are a ton of career changers into aviation, why not change out?
There are a ton of entry level jobs that pay way above regional FO pay? I honestly think that the people who would rather complain don't want to change because changing is hard and that's not what they want, which is probably why they will never get hired by a legacy. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to be a pilot and unless you have something constructive to say, and not just "this job sucks, stay away" don't waste my time or any pilots who are optimistic.
Every single job in the world is tough when you start out and takes a while to get money. Those young 20 and 30 something year olds who are making close to and above 6 figures are just as much of a fraction as the guys the same age getting hired at a major. They don't get randomly selected, they work hard and network well. Bad attitudes do not usually coordinate with hard work and persistent drives that may get a pilot where he wants to be. Think about lawyers who spend way more than pilots trying to get those 6 figure jobs and only small fractions of them make that kind of money, or they must pay their dues for years the one difference is more lawyers got into law for money unlike pilots who got into aviation because they love it.
Like I said I believe that for some they just are unlucky but for a good amount I think it's there own fault. If you hate it and are miserable change careers, there are a ton of career changers into aviation, why not change out?
There are a ton of entry level jobs that pay way above regional FO pay? I honestly think that the people who would rather complain don't want to change because changing is hard and that's not what they want, which is probably why they will never get hired by a legacy. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to be a pilot and unless you have something constructive to say, and not just "this job sucks, stay away" don't waste my time or any pilots who are optimistic.
If you already know and believe all this, or are willing to only listen to those that tell you it's OK to go forward with this career choice, then why even come on here and ask all this?
04-20-2014, 05:26 PM
#98
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Originally Posted by FL450
Dreamtofly,
I like your enthusiam and the fact that you're pursuing your dream and not those of the disgruntled on here. I agree with many in that the airline industry as a whole will look a lot different once you obtain enough hours to qualify for the regional airlines. Forgive BZZT as he has always had a bad attitude about life in general. I worked at Eagle for over 3 years and loved every minute of it. There is life after the regionals and it's not always about qualifications but about attitude and desire.
I think you are headed in the right direction by doing your research and commend you for your efforts. If you want to grab lunch this week sometime I live in the Villanova area and would be more than happy to discuss some of your flight training options with you.
BZZT, please stop polluting the forums with constant negativity! We get the fact that you hate your life at Eagle but your elitist attitude is why you're still there.
I like your enthusiam and the fact that you're pursuing your dream and not those of the disgruntled on here. I agree with many in that the airline industry as a whole will look a lot different once you obtain enough hours to qualify for the regional airlines. Forgive BZZT as he has always had a bad attitude about life in general. I worked at Eagle for over 3 years and loved every minute of it. There is life after the regionals and it's not always about qualifications but about attitude and desire.
I think you are headed in the right direction by doing your research and commend you for your efforts. If you want to grab lunch this week sometime I live in the Villanova area and would be more than happy to discuss some of your flight training options with you.
BZZT, please stop polluting the forums with constant negativity! We get the fact that you hate your life at Eagle but your elitist attitude is why you're still there.
Three years ?? Wow!! Come back in another 13 yrs and say the same. It's a very poor career choice. Pay, furloughs, starting at the bottom when you switch jobs, management that loves to eff with you etc. Even crew scheduling treats u with disrespect.
I would not advise my kids or anyone dear to me, to chose flying for a living.
Bless God.
04-20-2014, 05:29 PM
#99
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Originally Posted by SSMR13
If you already know and believe all this, or are willing to only listen to those that tell you it's OK to go forward with this career choice, then why even come on here and ask all this?
But fo' real Op, go get your ratings. Fly the line, live the life and then come back and tell someone who is actually in the profession how you feel. Until then your just a spectator on the outside looking in. Can't even call you a newbie because you haven't even started your ratings yet.
04-20-2014, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rnav
Because he wants to let us know his family has his debt covered and he believes he will be at a major since he has a optimistic attitude. Go for it bro, get back to us in 5 years...
But fo' real Op, go get your ratings. Fly the line, live the life and then come back and tell someone who is actually in the profession how you feel. Until then your just a spectator on the outside looking in. Can't even call you a newbie because you haven't even started your ratings yet.
But fo' real Op, go get your ratings. Fly the line, live the life and then come back and tell someone who is actually in the profession how you feel. Until then your just a spectator on the outside looking in. Can't even call you a newbie because you haven't even started your ratings yet.
I said I only want constructive comments, I don't want someone to say aviation sucks, tell me more, tell me exactly made you hate it, if you honestly believe nothing will get better.
If this career is killing you guys so bad and don't have enough time with your family get off the internet and stop complaining, rather spend time with your family or call them if you are away, unless your true happy "me time" is posting about how to stay away from the career.
This thread was created for constructive discussion, instead of assuming where my money comes from, saying what my expectations are abd telling me I can't have a family
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