Malaysian 777 missing
#451
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 204
Sorry but i don't get intimidated. The question was not idiotic and posed in a quite cogent manner. Flippant responses are not necessary. If the moderators don't want me here they can throw me off. Otherwise, I am not here to please you "blastoff" or anyone else of the High and Mighty members of this group.
Occam's Razor is a good place to start. Some of the press worms keep bringing up the "landed somewhere" idea. Really? 250-odd people onboard and every one with a cell phone. Ever 3rd World crap hole has a cell phone system. If it were hijacked and flown somewhere, they would have to had absolute control over the passengers to prevent a cell call from someone. On that basis alone, that can be ruled out.
Hypoxia is a possibility, but all the alarms and alerts would have had to be inhibited for that to have caused complete incapacitation.
Transponder and ACARS turned off (they seem to be certain about that) says it was deliberate by someone. Hijacking by terrorists? 250 passengers sitting by for that? Possible, but unlikely post 9/11. "Hijacking" or "suicide" by one of the crew after one goes to the back to hit the head? Still seems unlikely, but seems the most likely. Still, with the crew member stuck in the back with 250 passengers - how does the guy in the cockpit prevent the door from being breached over many hours?
How do you control or incapacitate the passengers? From the engine data transmission, it was flying for many hours past its last voice transmission. Amazing.
#452
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,064
Go back to your mother's basement, troll. Members here have participated in intercepts, been in charge of intercepts, performed accident investigations, flown the 777, been 777 sim instructors, etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the ready room. If you feel harassed and intimidated, stop posting idiotic questions. Take the hint. "Cogent"? We'll determine that.
Occam's Razor is a good place to start. Some of the press worms keep bringing up the "landed somewhere" idea. Really? 250-odd people onboard and every one with a cell phone. Ever 3rd World crap hole has a cell phone system. If it were hijacked and flown somewhere, they would have to had absolute control over the passengers to prevent a cell call from someone. On that basis alone, that can be ruled out.
Hypoxia is a possibility, but all the alarms and alerts would have had to be inhibited for that to have caused complete incapacitation.
Transponder and ACARS turned off (they seem to be certain about that) says it was deliberate by someone. Hijacking by terrorists? 250 passengers sitting by for that? Possible, but unlikely post 9/11. "Hijacking" or "suicide" by one of the crew after one goes to the back to hit the head? Still seems unlikely, but seems the most likely. Still, with the crew member stuck in the back with 250 passengers - how does the guy in the cockpit prevent the door from being breached over many hours?
How do you control or incapacitate the passengers? From the engine data transmission, it was flying for many hours past its last voice transmission. Amazing.
Occam's Razor is a good place to start. Some of the press worms keep bringing up the "landed somewhere" idea. Really? 250-odd people onboard and every one with a cell phone. Ever 3rd World crap hole has a cell phone system. If it were hijacked and flown somewhere, they would have to had absolute control over the passengers to prevent a cell call from someone. On that basis alone, that can be ruled out.
Hypoxia is a possibility, but all the alarms and alerts would have had to be inhibited for that to have caused complete incapacitation.
Transponder and ACARS turned off (they seem to be certain about that) says it was deliberate by someone. Hijacking by terrorists? 250 passengers sitting by for that? Possible, but unlikely post 9/11. "Hijacking" or "suicide" by one of the crew after one goes to the back to hit the head? Still seems unlikely, but seems the most likely. Still, with the crew member stuck in the back with 250 passengers - how does the guy in the cockpit prevent the door from being breached over many hours?
How do you control or incapacitate the passengers? From the engine data transmission, it was flying for many hours past its last voice transmission. Amazing.
#453
A lot of people on here obviously don't know about this feature because they often mention the number of pages and invariably its way more than necessary because they are on the forum default which is only 10 posts per page.
Anyway, maybe this is useful, maybe not, but I prefer the maximum of 40 posts per page. Now back to our wildly entertaining rampant speculation of what happened to flight 370.
#454
the question i have is regarding the immersat information that was recently released. They said they determined the last signal was received at 8am (7 hours after takeoff) but the location was still in the east indian ocean upwards to central asia (very unlikely) or se indian ocean towards western australia. At 7 hours, you'd think it would have gained a lot more distance from malaysia.
#457
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Conclusion
Stated as conclusion
Opinion stated as a conclusion.
Stated as fact - therefore a conclusion.
Some people are careful about differentiating between 'educated guesses', opinions, and FACTS.
I only went back to posts from page 35....but I'd bet that there are a few more posts in the thread using the words 'facts' in them when referencing this current mystery when actually there are actually very few in this case. I think on this most would agree.
Stated as conclusion
Opinion stated as a conclusion.
Stated as fact - therefore a conclusion.
Some people are careful about differentiating between 'educated guesses', opinions, and FACTS.
I only went back to posts from page 35....but I'd bet that there are a few more posts in the thread using the words 'facts' in them when referencing this current mystery when actually there are actually very few in this case. I think on this most would agree.
#458
I'm only on page 12. Try this: click on User CP, on the left under Your Control Panel find Settings and Options. Click on Edit Options. Then go down to Thread Display Options and go to Number of Posts to show per Page. Edit that to 40 per page and you won't have to scroll through so many pages. Might save some time, maybe not.
A lot of people on here obviously don't know about this feature because they often mention the number of pages and invariably its way more than necessary because they are on the forum default which is only 10 posts per page.
Anyway, maybe this is useful, maybe not, but I prefer the maximum of 40 posts per page. Now back to our wildly entertaining rampant speculation of what happened to flight 370.
A lot of people on here obviously don't know about this feature because they often mention the number of pages and invariably its way more than necessary because they are on the forum default which is only 10 posts per page.
Anyway, maybe this is useful, maybe not, but I prefer the maximum of 40 posts per page. Now back to our wildly entertaining rampant speculation of what happened to flight 370.
#459
It is ok if you don't want to believe the people who have done such intercepts.
By all means - continue to educate us
And exactly what maneuver, in your expert opinion of military aircraft intercepts, would FORCE a pilot in command of a 777 into some sort of reaction (other than an aerial game of chicken of course) and would be both practical and safe for the intercepting pilot?
#460
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Production Test Pilot, Boeing
Posts: 97
I'm concerned about the FDR and CVR. They might never be found and recovered. Finding the plane, assuming it crashed at sea, is one thing. Finding out why it crashed is another, unless its debris 'tells' a clear story about how events unfolded.
Isn't it time the NTSB became more proactive and reigned in Malay authorities? Can they take the reigns, legally speaking?
I do not wish to speculate. But I am leaning towards what happened not being a malicious act, but rather an array of events no other aircraft had encountered before in previous accidents.
Isn't it time the NTSB became more proactive and reigned in Malay authorities? Can they take the reigns, legally speaking?
I do not wish to speculate. But I am leaning towards what happened not being a malicious act, but rather an array of events no other aircraft had encountered before in previous accidents.
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