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Old 03-31-2014, 12:54 AM
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No new post in 3 days. What happened?
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
No new post in 3 days. What happened?
The aircraft has been changed from "missing" to "Earharted" category.
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:32 AM
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The large orange floating pieces turned out to be fishing gear. I wasn't surprised, not a 777 expert, but I didn't really think 777's had any large orange structures that would float for weeks after being ripped off the airframe. I'll bet Boeing could have told them that without going to the trouble of recovering them. Kabuki theater.
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:46 AM
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One of the large 'pieces of debris' was later determined to be a.....whale! I think that is discrimination against whales. It should sue the Australian government!
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Surprise! Turns out the original transcript translation was not accurate as some of you stated/predicted.

MH370: New last words: 'Good night Malaysian three seven zero' - CNN.com

and for v2.0 of transcript

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/im...transcript.pdf
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Kabuki theater.
I can only imagine the pressure cooker in there - the whole world expecting them to say something intelligent, and not much to say.
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It's been found.......sitting at the gate in Kuala Lampur.
Malaysian govt is highly embarrassed by this massive oversight.





April Fools.....had to!
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
I wonder what noise the engine would make as the last few ounces of gas empty out of the tanks, through the carb, through the valves into the cylinders ...


You know, like how the car engine spurts and sputters as it's gasping for the last few drops of gas in the tank and the car begins slowing and you start looking for a good place to coast over to the shoulder and stop.

Eyewitness: "Just before the car coasted to the shoulder and stopped, I heard a 'surging engine noise'."

Expert Investigator: "That's not possible. The engine could not have been making a noise because the gas tank was empty."





(The criticism of eyewitness reports is not without basis, but this doesn't serve as a valid example.)


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It IS a valid example. The instance I remember from Safety school was a plane that ran out of gas at several thousand feet. The engine was not operating whatsoever. The eyewitnesses brain "filled in the blanks" to what his eyes were seeing, but his ears didn't hear (because it didn't happen). It is a known phenomenon.

And an equally valid example is the exact opposite when the engine is found to have been operating perfectly, with a full gas tank. Reports of a surging and sputtering engine all the way to the crash, including flames coming out of the exhaust - turns out the crash was caused by a negligent and hugely over max gross weight takeoff followed by crash into a street or houses past the end of the runway.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:29 AM
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Actually witnesses who report an engine "surging" are usually just hearing a aircraft in hard IFR doing a tight spiral. The "surging" is just the doppler effect of the aircraft coming toward them and then away from them as it spirals. Often the witnesses will also hear a "boom" followed by components falling out of the overcast. The boom was the sound of the wing spar failing as it was overloaded.
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Originally Posted by ClutchCargo View Post
Last VHF comm from Swissair 111 was at 0125Z. Aircraft struck the water at 0131Z. Not really lost comm. Typical short duration from start of fire to crash. First smoke detected at 0110Z.

I just don't see an airplane flying for hours after an inflight fire has destroyed most of the electronics and killed everybody on board...

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Well, it depends... Not sure if anybody brought this up, but as an example look at UPS 1307, from first smoke to pilots notifying ATC and calling for equipment to meet them was more than 20 minutes. The pilots did as instructed, running checklists and fiddling with the packs trying to solve the smell problem themselves. The fire was a relatively slow progression but ultimately became overwhelming.

It is not too much of a stretch to imagine these pilots troubleshooting on their own, then suddenly losing ability to communicate / electrical failure with a lithium fire in the hold.

On the ground the plane was destroyed (flt 1307).

IIRC it was a suspected Lithium fire also. I forget if they ever got to the bottom of it and found what actually ignited.

https://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2007/AAR0707.pdf

For the ARFF guys - this presentation was shown to me by one of my friends at my home field, showing what they deal with, pretty interesting stuff. (He is ARFF member and also a patient of mine, long story.) He really finds the theory Malaysia had a fire very likely but obviously nobody really knows.

http://www.apssafety.net/sitebuilder...flight1307.pdf
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