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Old 03-25-2014, 06:35 PM
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Jon Stewart Just Said What Everyone's Thinking About The Coverage Of The MH370 Fiasco | Elite Daily

Yeah... that!
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:06 PM
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Anyone is still thinking of a successful ditching should look at this Telegraph video from a ship in the IO.

Except that video was posted onto YouTube in January 2013. It is a gas tanker, not a rescue vessel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aow2ErSP3dQ

The Telegraph have made fools of themselves.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:35 PM
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Indeed they have! Learned of BS after posting

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Old 03-26-2014, 02:39 AM
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(Reuters) - A U.S.-based law firm said it expects to represent families of more than half of the passengers on board the missing Malaysian Airlines flight in a lawsuit against the carriers and Boeing Co, alleging the plane had crashed due to mechanical failure.

The Beijing-bound flight MH370 disappeared more than two weeks ago, and was announced to have crashed into the remote southern Indian ocean with all 239 on board presumed to have died.

Chicago-based Ribbeck Law has filed a petition for discovery against Boeing Co, manufacturer of the aircraft, and Malaysian Airlines, operator of the plane in a Cook County, Illinois Circuit Court. The petition is meant to secure evidence of possible design and manufacturing defects that may have contributed to the disaster, the law firm said.

Though both Boeing and Malaysian Airlines were named in the filing, the focus of the case will be on Boeing, Ribbeck's lawyers told reporters, as they believe that the incident was caused by mechanical failure.

"Our theory of the case is that there was a failure of the equipment in the cockpit that may have caused a fire that rendered the crew unconscious, or perhaps because of the defects in the fuselage which had been reported before there was some loss in the cabin pressure that also made the pilot and co-pilot unconscious," Monica Kelly, head of Global Aviation Litigation at Ribbeck Law, told reporters.

"That plane was actually a ghost plane for several hours until it ran out of fuel."

Kelly said the conclusion was made based on experience on previous incidents, dismissing the possibilities of hijacking or pilot suicide.

The lawsuit, soon to be filed, would seek millions of dollars of compensation for each passenger and ask Boeing to repair its entire 777 fleet.

The law firm said it expected to represent families of more than 50 percent of the passengers on board the flight, but declined to give details on how many families have sought their representation in the case.

The court filing was not immediately available.

The petition was filed on behalf of Januari Siregar, whose son was on the flight. Siregar, a lawyer, had known Ribbeck's staff when working on a case involving Garuda Indonesia a few years earlier, Ribbeck said.

Additional pleadings will be filed in the next few days against other potential defendants that designed or manufactured component parts of the aircraft that may have failed, Kelly said.

Ribbeck is also asking that U.S. scientists be included in the search for wreckage and bodies, the firm said.

A spokesman for Boeing declined comment. A spokesman for Malaysian Airlines could not immediately be reached for comment.

Ribbeck is also representing 115 passengers in the crash of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 in San Francisco in July.

Ribbeck only plans to file the case in the United States.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
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None of those structurally damaged planes would have flown for about 7 hours, as has been pretty much proved by INMARSAT engineering analysis. None failed to send out radio distress calls, none has their transponders disabled.
The absence of an identical precedent does not exclude a novel emergency scenario.

Aloha Airways' 737 as I understand was not at 35,000ft and electrical faults or fires were not an issue. Of course they made a distress call.

The United Airlines 747 out of Hawai was climbing through 17,000ft and did not have any electrical failure or fires. Nothing prevented them making a distress call.

With Egyptair 667 there was a loud popping sound and smoke... within 22 seconds there was flame and discharge of a fire extinguisher. The Co-pilot recalled later that as soon as he heard the popping he looked down and saw a 10 centimetre hole in the fuselage beside him. This was at sea level. Translate this to the same experience at 35,000ft.

Nor was Flight 667 a unique event...On 28 June 2008 an oxygen fed fire destroyed flight deck of a 767 awaiting departure at San Francisco.



You seem to have a preconceived bias against human intervention, esp suicide by pilot (s). The NTSB opinions on both Egypt Air and Silk Air were pretty convincing on suicide with more data than you presented.

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Galaxy Flyer I am not here to debate Silk Air, or Egyptair Flight 990 and that is a distracting debate for another time and another place.

My bias against human intervention is simple psychology 101. If a single suicidal pilot or even a terrorist group wanted to destroy a planeload of people it would be based on a grievance and designed to send a message.

Western Intelligence sources have detected no internet or phone chatter about this crash as normally accompanies a significant act of terrorism. There has been no claim of credit by any terrorist organisation, no Jihadist message from a Martyr encouraging followers posted on Youtube. Nor any suicide note left by a pilot.

Were it either of the pilots with a grudge you would expect them to leave a recriminatory letter against those perceived to have wronged them.

When people create such grandiose acts it is an attention seeking move.

They don't disappear to the farthest corner of the earth with barely a peep of protest. Furthermore once committed to an act of suicide why wait 7.5 hours. Why not roll it on her back and pull it nose down straight into the sea?
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:14 AM
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The track of MH370 had nothing to do with an unidentified aircraft flying around the Straits of Malacca which climbed west towards the Andaman Islands. The Malaysian Government totally threw searchers off the trail.



This image describes the approximate path to the Indian ocean as determined by Doppler analysis of signals received at INMARSAT.

Whilst authorities claim satellite signal analysis tipped them off it should be noted MH370 was probably observed in real time by Australian OTHR radar:

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Originally Posted by SyGunson View Post
The absence of an identical precedent does not exclude a novel emergency scenario...


...My bias against human intervention is simple psychology 101. If a single suicidal pilot or even a terrorist group wanted to destroy a planeload of people it would be based on a grievance and designed to send a message.

Western Intelligence sources have detected no internet or phone chatter about this crash as normally accompanies a significant act of terrorism. There has been no claim of credit by any terrorist organisation, no Jihadist message from a Martyr encouraging followers posted on Youtube. Nor any suicide note left by a pilot.

Were it either of the pilots with a grudge you would expect them to leave a recriminatory letter against those perceived to have wronged them.

When people create such grandiose acts it is an attention seeking move.

They don't disappear to the farthest corner of the earth with barely a peep of protest. Furthermore once committed to an act of suicide why wait 7.5 hours. Why not roll it on her back and pull it nose down straight into the sea?
Just so I understand, you're perfectly willing to consider a novel set of physical circumstances and outcomes, but the people involved must always act in a certain, preconceived way?
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:37 AM
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I will repeat, again, my position:

There is no factual information or intelligence-wise "leads" based information, or any indications, that this was terrorist related.

Because a bunch of rocket scientist self-appointed internet crash experts on APC have decided "it must be terrorism" and same group has reviewed past accidents and since "this has never happened" before, have concluded it is terrorism, does not make it so.

Again, as of now (03-26) we have no, none, zero, indications of terrorism (or suicide or similar mal-intent by people occupying the cockpit).
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by satpak77 View Post
I will repeat, again, my position:

There is no factual information or intelligence-wise "leads" based information, or any indications, that this was terrorist related.

Because a bunch of rocket scientist self-appointed internet crash experts on APC have decided "it must be terrorism" and same group has reviewed past accidents and since "this has never happened" before, have concluded it is terrorism, does not make it so.

Again, as of now (03-26) we have no, none, zero, indications of terrorism (or suicide or similar mal-intent by people occupying the cockpit).

You are correct, there is no evidence of terrorism.


There is also no evidence of aircraft malfunction.

Nobody has come to a conclusion, they have offered their best guess to explain the several possible ways an aircraft like the 777 may go off the tracks and vanish.

If there are actual intel leads, you are not going to hear them on the news or from a paid general on cnn.

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Old 03-26-2014, 04:31 AM
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If there was an oxygen-fed fire in the cockpit that was caused by a short with the metal spring in the oxygen hose chafing with a wire bundle I can see how the transponder head and radio control heads could become disabled. It was not a case of the pilots turning off the transponder and not making radio calls, it was an instance of the wiring to those components being melted and burned. The pilots may well have put in an emergency transponder code and tried to make an emergency radio call to no avail.
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