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We have no way of knowing until the a/c is found.Originally Posted by JJ21
I am saying did the crew put a NEW secondary flight plan in 12 mins before crossing open ocean towards Vietnam as a standard procedure as their t/o over open ocean was NOT the best airport to return "just incase" an emergency occurred.To my knowledge ACARS does not transmit changes in the FMS to anyone. I am not even sure if that info can be pinged from the aircraft and I am thinking not.
The info "may" be retrievable from NV-RAM in the FMS once the ship is located.
I don't consider the water between Malaysia and Vietnam "open ocean" either. I have flown between KL and HKG many times which is the approximate route and you are in radar most of the way.
JJ21...you are either new or making stuff up.
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Is it conceivable on a 777 to have an electrical fire that produces enough smoke to take out the crew, and terminates power to the transponders, ACARS and presumably the communications transceivers without interrupting power to the A/P and other systems required to keep the A/C in the air? (FYI, not a reporter)
Nope. It's a non-zero probability, but is virtually zero. All the fire speculation is driving me nuts... we try to get the plane on the ground within 15 minutes with a fire, and it would be even less likely for it to happen exactly at an FIR crossing. This thing kept on going for another 6 hours. There is virtually no logical way that happened with a fire.Originally Posted by Mazster
Round two:Is it conceivable on a 777 to have an electrical fire that produces enough smoke to take out the crew, and terminates power to the transponders, ACARS and presumably the communications transceivers without interrupting power to the A/P and other systems required to keep the A/C in the air? (FYI, not a reporter)
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12 mins before looks like it would have been before they coasted out.
To me putting a new secondary flight plan for a possible emergency ahead of time makes sense.
There was no coasting out.... just an FIR crossing.Originally Posted by JJ21
I am saying did the crew put a NEW secondary flight plan in 12 mins before crossing open ocean towards Vietnam as a standard procedure as their t/o over open ocean was NOT the best airport to return "just incase" an emergency occurred.12 mins before looks like it would have been before they coasted out.
To me putting a new secondary flight plan for a possible emergency ahead of time makes sense.
ok lets go to the basics...where would you go if you had an emergency in the same location that contact was lost with Flt370 in the middle of the night with lost communications?
Would you have preprogrammed a "emergency airport" (secondary flight plan) in the box PRIOR to flying over the SOUTH CHINA SEA?
How is that better?
Would you have preprogrammed a "emergency airport" (secondary flight plan) in the box PRIOR to flying over the SOUTH CHINA SEA?
How is that better?
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To my knowledge ACARS does not transmit changes in the FMS to anyone. I am not even sure if that info can be pinged from the aircraft and I am thinking not.
The info "may" be retrievable from NV-RAM in the FMS once the ship is located.
I don't consider the water between Malaysia and Vietnam "open ocean" either. I have flown between KL and HKG many times which is the approximate route and you are in radar most of the way.
JJ21...you are either new or making stuff up.
FMC route data can get sent to ATC through a mode S transponder. Originally Posted by Thedude
We have no way of knowing until the a/c is found.To my knowledge ACARS does not transmit changes in the FMS to anyone. I am not even sure if that info can be pinged from the aircraft and I am thinking not.
The info "may" be retrievable from NV-RAM in the FMS once the ship is located.
I don't consider the water between Malaysia and Vietnam "open ocean" either. I have flown between KL and HKG many times which is the approximate route and you are in radar most of the way.
JJ21...you are either new or making stuff up.
Those pprune folks talk about it here
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I've always kept any unofficial waypoints out of Legs 1 just for that reason. I've been told that they can actually see what we have in RTE 2 also
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Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.
Mods can anything be done here?
Yeah, the spotters have found this thread unfortunately. Cue endless numbers of inane questions. It's turning into pprune!Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.
Mods can anything be done here?
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So you're saying they landed at Midway? Originally Posted by Dougdrvr
I like it, Jungle. That's right up there with "AF's water desalinate facility is inop".
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Speaking of RTE 2, it makes you wonder what a normal Malaysian pilots might stick in there, and what an instructor with almost 20,000 hours might stick in there if he flew the route all the time, as a sort of graduate-level approach.Originally Posted by penguin22
I've always kept any unofficial waypoints out of Legs 1 just for that reason. I've been told that they can actually see what we have in RTE 2 also
So last night a non pilot buddy of mine sends this news clip that fixes the time of route change prior to the infamous ATC hand off and "alright goodnight"... I hadn't seen it. Should one assume that there could be no errors in GMT synchronizations, or do we need to see historical audit proof?
Flight 370 had already turned before 'good night' message | On Air Videos | Fox News
Flight 370 had already turned before 'good night' message | On Air Videos | Fox News
Former TSA Director Phil Magaw on CNN just now saying cameras are needed in the cockpit because "more visibility is needed" into what pilots are doing and "how many times have they fallen asleep and overflown the airport."
Seriously?!?!? Falling asleep is clearly at epidemic levels. This coming from the director of an agency of incompetents. How many times has a terminal needed to be cleared and everyone re-screened because the TSA officer has fallen asleep and someone walked through the exit???
Seriously?!?!? Falling asleep is clearly at epidemic levels. This coming from the director of an agency of incompetents. How many times has a terminal needed to be cleared and everyone re-screened because the TSA officer has fallen asleep and someone walked through the exit???
