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Originally Posted by FliFast
SYT,
Well-thought response. I see you've been on the short-end with UPS also. Fair to say, what they shovel at us is different than what was shoveled your way...either way it's dung.
Your pay comparisons FDX vis-a-vis UPS are pretty astute. However, of my own admission, I forgot to tell you that UPS pilots are not paid based on equipment, only seat.
Therefore, your comparison of rates is correct. I only compared what I make vs. what my counterpart flying widebody equipment makes-which is 3.5% more. Seriously, that's not the issue on this thread so I won't belabor it.
The core issue here is that a crewmember had his room broken into and UPS made it nearly impossible to "right" the situation. Neither you nor me were in the room, so we can armchair the heck out of why he didn't have his passport, and why the hotel did not prevent this breech of bailment. In the end, the crewmember turned to his employer for aid and it was refused.
I welcome your response, but I take away from this thread that UPS can do much much more to harness the goodwill efforts of 420,000 employees if they put forth an honest effort. However, the longer this disconnect goes on the road to recovering the said mentioned goodwill will become more difficult if not impossible.
At some point the buck ends with our CEO and COO, just like out on the line it ends with our Capts. The choice of how to operate a flight rests with our Capts, the tone of employee relations has to reside with someone in the Ivory Tower.
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I just took narrowbody 757/727 Capt and Capt. UPS both at 10 years. I figured there would be some apples and oranges mixed in there with equipment rates..
I see your points. I have a number of UPS Frisbees from the last 40 years we could skeet shoot with
UPS should give a severance and pay to have those pilots and families relocated back to the lower 48 if they signed the 3 year deal. It's only right. I'm sure though that somebody in Atlanta feels though that they have a union that takeses care of them so they can take care of them in this case too. (us against them mentality.) Most severance packages are not to be disclosed publicly. Just like Private Messages
There could be severance package agreements that are not known about. In my case I got a severance package. I had 30 days to sign it and agree to it. The company called me a couple days before and said they haven't recieved it. I told them that they wouldn't because I didn't agree to it. The said I could fax it to them and they would overnight my money. They acted like I needed it because I just lost my job. They were wrong. I have always been fiscally responsible. I told them again that I am thinking out my options and am considering hiring a lawyer. They came back and said why would you do that. I told them a couple of the many things I had on them. Not "It Sounds" or internet rumours, but facts with proof to back it up. They knew I had them over a barrell. The company I worked for even refused to pay my Corporate AMEX bill. They said I needed to submit my expenses but they locked my out of expense reporting. They had access to everything on my card, they just wanted to play games. That month I'm getting calls from AMEX regarding when I'm going to pay my Corporate card. So they came back with what I wanted in my severance. I was fair about it. They revised the agreement and I signed and they paid it including the AMEX. I think they were ****ed I booked first class tickets on my return home after hearing I lost my job.
The pilots that were furloughed that moved to ANC need to get with the IPA and the lawyers. Look over the agreements you signed with UPS when you moved up there. I feel you should be able to get what you deserve.
I'm not defending the company and I'm not defending the ones who post things like the passport situation and the room break in either. What does any of it solve???????
I won't pm you. I want to keep my identity to myself and the other guy decided to post a Private message in response to his public insults. Not that you would do that but I don't want to take chances.
Go to the IPA and work on your options to get moved back to the states. Be thankful you have a union. You paid you dues and they need to give you what you paid for. I didn't have one and really wished I did.