01-04-2024Quote:
SeaFeye- It's hard to understand what it is to be unemployed without doing it yourself, I hope that you never have to trade places with one of the guys on furlough. I'd never been unemployed, and I didn't like it. Even worse now with the job prospects ever shrinking.
You think it's morally right to fly open time and I think it's morally wrong. I don't think we're going to agree. It's not cost neutral to the company 6 hours for you vs 72 for a reserve. Ditch the reserve and they just got a 64 hour discount and you helped them do it.
Deadstick35- We all agree management is out for cost savings, how long before they decide as you just said it's cheaper to pay 6 hours than 72 hours? Then another batch of guys hits the streets. If everyone stopped picking up open time, it would protect the guys on the bottom of the list now too. No open time flying, and maybe the bottom guys would be flying enough to get close to guarentee, not to mention maybe they'd get some per diem.
I see where you are coming from. I understand what you are saying but it's all just a theory either way. Right now if someone calls in sick a reserve pilot takes the flying. If reserves were flying 72hrs then they would have to pay over guarantee for those hours. I don't know any reserve pilot that fly's that much, it just doesn't happen. So if the company is in a pinch and have to get a flight covered they put it in Open Time and if that isn't picked up it goes to a reserve, if that doesn't work they Junior Man. Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I had a big long reply ready, but APC glitched and I'm not willing to retype it. I'll boil it down. SeaFeye- It's hard to understand what it is to be unemployed without doing it yourself, I hope that you never have to trade places with one of the guys on furlough. I'd never been unemployed, and I didn't like it. Even worse now with the job prospects ever shrinking.
You think it's morally right to fly open time and I think it's morally wrong. I don't think we're going to agree. It's not cost neutral to the company 6 hours for you vs 72 for a reserve. Ditch the reserve and they just got a 64 hour discount and you helped them do it.
Deadstick35- We all agree management is out for cost savings, how long before they decide as you just said it's cheaper to pay 6 hours than 72 hours? Then another batch of guys hits the streets. If everyone stopped picking up open time, it would protect the guys on the bottom of the list now too. No open time flying, and maybe the bottom guys would be flying enough to get close to guarentee, not to mention maybe they'd get some per diem.
We aren't even close to Junior Man mode. When they start making those calls and reserves are flying over 72hrs we will see the return of the furloughes. It just won't happen before then. So the open time issue isn't an issue because of this.
We have to be in a Junior Man mode every day before management will bring people back. And that isn't going to happen till reserves fly 72 hrs.
The fact that our reserves aren't paid...ie: no credit for hot or regular reserve hurts us. We never get close to guarantee.
You might be right we could go into Junior Man mode if nobody picks up open time but that would mean that we don't have enough reserves right now. Most reserves are only flying 30hrs a month. That's a long way to go.
