Can you tell that to the APA.

Oh, the guys who entered their negotiations with 278.77 A319 pay? The plane with same capability as a A223? At the same company that has 20 E190s and are parking them? The same guys that have 300 of their 15000+ pilots (2% of their pilots) flying it? Same guys who can bid off of it after a year and go to a much higher paying plane and never actually see the lower rate (so take that 300 number and change it to 150, since there are very few FOs actually on a low pay scale after first year pay which is the same on all planes)? Same one with an upgrade that’s like a year or two on that plane, so they essentially can be a E90 CA or NB/WB FO and make as much? Point is, it’s such a small and insignificant plane there, the rate on that plane is not worth negotiating capital, just like the ghost rates at DAL/UAL. For every plane on property that actually affects their pilot group, they have significantly higher rates than JB. If 1/4 of their pilots were flying E190s, they would put a lot more negotiating capital on the table to increase it. But since it doesn’t really affect anyone there, why waste it? Ditto for the 2 other legacies who don’t have them.

You can justify it till your blue in the face. I’m not disagreeing with you that it should not be better. The reason it’s that low is that they were the nearest comparison with actual aircraft on property.

And to your point why didn’t they vote no? Because it only affected a small amount of their group? It should have been voted down.

I decided to visit APC to see what peeps were saying about the bid, and what do I see but bluedriver getting schooled about his attitude by a pilot from a REAL ARILINE. Too funny. And sad at the same time.

, thanks for sharing your insight. Hope all is well for you over there. Feel free to drop by anytime and dispel false tales!

AA’s 190 rate is $180, and JBs is $211.

I think he is a b6 guy as well. And if you read they said they were saying the same thing.

Have to disagree with you. Our negotiators 2 of which who I know personally are the most honest and absolute men of character you can ask for. No need for anything else if you can't trust. I think they stood up for our worth and some will never be happy.....ever.

Which real airline? The one that gives away a majority of their flying to the regionals and wishes they had better scope?

Turns out me and 450 were in agreement, but good to see the subject matter went entirely over your head.

Carry on.

I don’t doubt their character for a second. I’m FB friends with one of them and he’s a great guy. I think they tried their best. Starting from scratch was a monumental task. But ultimately,
I’ll judge them as negotiators based on the result they achieved, which in my opinion was subpar. That doesn’t diminish them as people or make them any less honorable. I respect the work they put in. I’m just disappointed with the outcome, that’s all. Sorry if I gave a different impression of what I was trying to convey.