That is not what I understood from the call. I understood that ENY is preparing to flow 20/mo, but that was based on the assumption that AA would hire 1000 next year. If AA only hires 600 (as they have publicly stated), it would be 13/mo.

Seems to me like a “plan for the worst” kind of scenario from management. They plan to hire to cover 20/mo leaving, just in case that’s what they are forced into.

Ok well that makes sense.

Missed the call, but the interesting tidbit in all that from my understanding is that it's 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, not monthly like it used to be with prior groups (or formula, whichever is less, but the company can always send more per 15-01).
So they can absolutely flow 20/mo for a few months and see what happens later if they are so inclined.

I am very well aware of the formula and am very well aware that based on the current hiring projection at AA we will be seeing 12.5 flows per month once the DOS group starts flowing. What I was wondering was if maybe a new flow number was worked into the DOS flow group. Historically the company has always increased the flow number prior to the next group flowing whether to settle a grievance or just attract new hires. I was simply asking if that had happened but someone already answered that as no.

ONE of the problems with the flow equation is that if AA hires MORE than 80 in a month, there is a loss for ENY because Mgt definitely won’t let more than 20 go in a month. If the equation is truly 25% of new hires for the YEAR but I don’t see how they can really do that. It has to be really per class or at worst per month. But again if you look at a monthly number, what if because of the dates/day of the week they start classes there are three classes in a month with 40 each? That would mean 120 one month and I just don’t see ENY letting an extra 10 pilots go, even if it averages out. Also if looking at it on a YEARLY percentage, what happens if for some reason the music stops again and they quit hiring? What if the total number of ENY pilots was greater than 25% because they flowed more than 25% in a class? Or worse if they were doing less than 25% because they were going to “make it up” at the end of the year??

And I’m just throwing that out there, because, well, because it’s another chance for people who might be reading this to be reminded that the numbers just don’t work.

I wasn't there, but I'd imagine that fine little tidbit was worked into 15-01 just for that reason - to gain more flexibility for the company. Send less when staffing is tough to be exact. But then when the flow stops, so does the recruitment effort. There are only so many cadets and, correct me if I'm wrong, RTP is on hold (?).
With everyone hiring and the outside attrition numbers starting to look healthy, a real effort will need to happen to #MEGA

No.
If AA hires 0 in January, then Envoy flows 0. And if AA hires 60 in February, Envoy still only flows 15.

There's also a possibility that they're planning for 20/mo because they know something about AA hiring the rest of us don't. This possibility was referenced to more than once during the all call yesterday.

dera, which part of the language being different for the DOS group in 15-01 is not understandable?
How it gets applied is another question, but "in the calendar year" does not appear anywhere in the prior groups and I don't believe in accidental nature of any legal language.