If Delta wants to start a flow at 9E or anywhere, I have no problem with that at all. It doesn't make any difference to me where Delta new hires come from. BUT the 35 RJs are good leverage for DALPA to have. Let's see what we're offered. I'd be most happy with a flow AND keeping those 35 RJs parked...but that's probably a pipe dream.

​​​​​​That may be possible, because I don't know of anything in the language of the flow we're being offered that makes any reference to the 35 RJs. On our end the only thing I know it's tied to is an extension of our current contract. I could see an arbiter saying that the 35RJs have to stay parked, but the flow as offered to us is not within the dispute before the arbiter. We'll see...

Agreed. None of my business how/where delta gets new hires.

LOA 9 died with Compass. MEC letter pretty well summed it up.

If they want the 35 back, they need to pay dearly for it.

FYI I have had to pull over and redo the numbers twice now for 0 TW limited when ATL is reporting 050@2 right as we pull onto the runway. Low tail wind numbers now for the weight issue will bite you.

Our mec chairman actually said in an all pilot call something to the effect of, we would be open to helping furloughed delta pilots with a soft landing or flow down but it would have to be the right circumstances and we would have to get proportional improvements on our end. We were not opposed at the mec level to this. If I remember correctly that stupid apc survey got started right after that call because it came up.

He did not say, and it did not sound like, we were approached about that. But that's speculation

I think as long as the WDR template has at least a 5 knot headwind component based on input from Ops, all of the data will show TW00. If you request a new TOPR with less favorable winds, you'll get more accurate TW options. Seemed to work on my last trip, but just gouge.. good luck!

CG

You will need new numbers and all the procedural verification and checklists. ATL assumes we can always take a 10 knot tailwind so as they clear you into position or for takeoff they give you a wind report if it’s a tailwind (requirement for ATC) and you better have your ears on and x wind calculator handy. 0 tailwind allowed is exactly what it says. Check your WDR TW column and listen up. 3 of 4 flights today were 0TW for me.

Is this a problem? It's not really anything new. Any TW listed on the WDR has always been a limit as has a HW (required for TO)

Got it...I'm just saying if winds are light and inconsistent, a TOPR with a direct 10 kt tailwind should give you limiting weights up to a 10 kt tail..if available..then you'll be covered at the runway if tower gives you less favorable winds than when you got the original WDR with TW00 for every thrust setting. Again, just gouge, and a definite pain..ymmv. CG

10 TW was the norm or at least high enough to exceed any tail component. The new procedure only gives you 5 knots max and many times 0.