Base and Seniority Progression Information

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  • MIA - 7/2/2012 | 1/24/2022
  • IAH - 5/11/2015 | 11/15/2021
  • JFK - 10/12/2015 | 8/1/2022
  • ORD - 1/11/2016 | 5/30/2022
  • MEM - 7/28/2016 | 6/20/2022
  • CVG - 10/31/2016 | 8/1/2022
  • LAX - 9/19/2016 | 6/20/2022
  • ANC - 1/9/2017 | New Hire Base
777 (Previously Southern)
  • MIA - 4/4/2016 | 7/5/2022
  • CVG - 12/4/2018 | New Hire Base
  • LAX - 1/7/2019 |10/10/2022
767
  • JFK - 9/28/2015 | 3/29/2022
  • TPA - 6/12/2016 | 4/19/2022
  • IAH - 2/22/2016 | 5/10/2022
  • CVG - 7/24/2017 | New Hire Base
  • ONT - 8/14/2017 | 10/4/2022
  • PDX - 8/14/2017 | 10/4/2022
737 (Previously Southern)
  • PDX - 6/24/2019 | 10/11/2022
  • CVG - 12/3/2019 | New Hire Base
Currently 2800 on the seniority list; +110 from September's tally.
Many thanks for updating!
Any info or company talk about how many hires they want to bring in and when to either throttle recruiting back or push pause?
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No, but I understand that current hiring is for both attrition and growth (4 748s and 4 777s). Those aircraft typically fly augmented so my W.A.G. is it keeps up at current rates until they get the staffing they want - dunno if that’s 2900, 3000, etc, then throttles back for attrition.

Also I think a pause is likely given the 4-5 month training delays on the 767.
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Quote: No, but I understand that current hiring is for both attrition and growth (4 748s and 4 777s). Those aircraft typically fly augmented so my W.A.G. is it keeps up at current rates until they get the staffing they want - dunno if that’s 2900, 3000, etc, then throttles back for attrition.

Also I think a pause is likely given the 4-5 month training delays on the 767.
The attrition at Atlas is just going to increase in the coming months/years and all the Legacy airlines hire ridiculous amounts. The hiring at Atlas will not slow down. Of course, the vast majority of the attrition will be in the FO ranks, so upgrades won’t accelerate…in fact they will probably continue to increase. I upgraded on the 767 at just over 3 years…now I believe it’s 5 to 5.5 years on the 767 and another half a year on the 747/777…and likely to go higher as more and more junior pilots leave.
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Yeah, as a junior pilot the attrition is exciting until you get off of first year pay and then realize at least half of the attrition come from the first year pilots below you in seniority. By the end of second year, you're mostly just watching the junior guys leave. CAs make nice money so they pretty much don't leave. All this is why Atlas can hire 800 pilots a year to a pilot group of 3000ish and still have five+ year upgrade times.
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Quote: Yeah, as a junior pilot the attrition is exciting until you get off of first year pay and then realize at least half of the attrition come from the first year pilots below you in seniority. By the end of second year, you're mostly just watching the junior guys leave. CAs make nice money so they pretty much don't leave. All this is why Atlas can hire 800 pilots a year to a pilot group of 3000ish and still have five+ year upgrade times.
This is a good summary of things. There are faster upgrades on the 737.
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Yup, hiring at the majors seems solid so the hemorrhaging will continue as always. Unless something seriously impedes the economy (hmmmm wonder what that was, who knows what lies ahead), United just made the largest wide body order in history perhaps. Replacing some current iron but also focusing on international growth. Hopefully they keep or input a few of the 100 787s into the domestic coast to coast runs. Option for 100 more if I read correctly…
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Quote: Yup, hiring at the majors seems solid so the hemorrhaging will continue as always. Unless something seriously impedes the economy (hmmmm wonder what that was, who knows what lies ahead), United just made the largest wide body order in history perhaps. Replacing some current iron but also focusing on international growth. Hopefully they keep or input a few of the 100 787s into the domestic coast to coast runs. Option for 100 more if I read correctly…
I believe it's the same number of 737Max orders as well (but no options).
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Quote: I believe it's the same number of 737Max orders as well (but no options).
100 firm + 100 options for 787s
Exercise 100 options for 737 Maxes…
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After a busy few weeks on my end, I finally had the chance to sit down and look over the vacancy information and put something together to provide information for folks looking to come aboard about base and seniority progression.

This is as of the June vacancy…

I’ve added a separate chart for the junior upgrades for each fleet as well.
Do you have any of this info for Houston?
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Quote: Do you have any of this info for Houston?
Junior IAH 767 FO is a May 2022 hire.
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