I know someone asked earlier but is the AA contact a good thing for us or what?

I think it's a good thing for us. The NMB has stated often that it views reasonableness by your standing amongst your peers. When the final pilot cost numbers are out for 2014 we will be well above any other passenger airline for the year. This will get American at least in our ballpark for 2015. The question now is how profit sharing will be factored in to the problem.
As I posted before I think we can make a solid case that it is offset cost wise by American having to make contributions to the pilot B fund and therefore we can directly compare pay table compensation rates. They will on average be 10% above us on 1 Jan 2016.
I have no idea how their work rules cost out against ours. Their pilots seem to think ours are better but I don't see a dramatic difference other then the 5:15 daily average.

Management wants to cut costs in every possible way. Including profit sharing. It's their fiduciary duty to do so. That's how I know.

I've never told anyone that they didn't know anything. Not even you.

The evidence is all around you Oberon. We've discussed it many times. If you don't want to see it, that's your prerogative.

Carl

Can someone explain how Delta calculates how much in profit sharing each pilot gets, in detail? I've seen the formula somewhere, but searching for "profit sharing" is like searching for "pilot" on this forum. Starting from company's annual profit to how much each pilot would receive. Thank you!

Unless you already have your own QC2s, I think you mean QC15. The 2s haven't been sold for a number of years. I've had both the UFM/QC15 and the Telex. UFM probably ranks in the top 10 bang for buck purchases I've ever made. Works great in the cockpit as well as deadheading. I wonder how much less hearing I would have lost had these been available 20 years ago.

Each have a couple of minor annoyances. The Telex doesn't work in the right seat of 3-5 -800s. They've been that way since DAL bought them. I doubt they will ever be "fixed". The UFM mike only mounts on the left ear cup.

Other than carrying a spare AAA for the Bose, the battery is really not much of an issue.

Having said all this, the QC15 is an end of life product also. They're still available [certainly used], but becoming more scarce. Apparently the plan is for UFM is to adapt to the QC25. I don't think its a done deal yet but should be close. The decision: go with QC15 now or wait for development/TSO on the QC25.

Bottom line: UFM/Bose

FWIW: we get a 10% Delta discount through Bose but you may find a better deal on a closeout QC15.

Bob
Just a happy customer

Once again, the evidence is ATL reps having crew room chats with pilots asking them how much "at risk" compensation they are willing to tolerate going forward. These same conversations are happening with MEC administrators. Donatelli put out a letter referring to profit sharing as "at risk" compensation and used a negative tone about it. This is all happening while I can recall nowhere in our survey where we were asked about how much profit sharing we should try to trade because it was "at risk".

When this stuff happens, you need to pay attention. This is how our MEC works. They are exceedingly uncommunicative about their internal strategies. Thus we are forced to logically deduce what they're attempting from the opinion shaping they throw out.

A great example was in C2012 when I asked the reps and MEC admins who post here to take a pledge that they would vote against any increase in RJ's. Their absolutely uniform response was "Not one more seat, not one more pound." I continued to press them about whether that meant allowing any more RJ's, but they just gave the same uniform response. I posted that as evidence that the MEC was going to allow more jumbo RJ's and the usual suspects here went nuts. They said there would be no way that would even get past the NC, much less the reps and that I was just lying. The rest is history. It didn't make me prescient, I just paid attention to very clear evidence.

Carl

Who are you and why do you want to know?

Not how it works. The formula is complicated and each pilot has different "pay hours", so the amount varies greatly.

Great post Sink.

Except the "waxing poetic" part. Anyone that correctly uses that in a sentence is, well...waxing poetic.

Carl

Then you're buying the beer Mr. Shmarty Pants!

Carl