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#99901

Carl Spackler , 05-20-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years.

This is one of the reasons you get properly accused of scare tactics and expectations management. Our contract mandates NMB involvement 90 days after the amendable date. There is no way they will park us for 4 years and 9 months. No way. By March 2013 we'll be down to very few open items and very reasonable pay demands based on our company's massive profits and SWAPA's compensation. You do everyone a disservice (including the NMB) when you extrapolate the APA experience onto us.

Carl

#99902

dalad , 05-20-2012 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by capncrunch

The sales pitch...

How is it a sales pitch?

#99903

dalad , 05-20-2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

No way? Can you say AMR, UAL/CAL, and their amendable dates? Doesn't matter what the NMB does.

#99904

Carl Spackler , 05-20-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later.

Another scare tactic to get pilots to accept their fate (by falsely characterizing the NMB's behavior) and agree to a career of inflation raises because of the "time value of money". This excuse is available for every contract forever. Guess we should always take the small pay bump now rather than getting parked by the NMB for XX years, right slowplay...I mean sailingfun?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA.

Do you not agree that ALPA has done a great job educating pilots on the dangers of cabotage and the export/import bank? ALPA can do it...when they want to. So why haven't they done that regarding scope and pay increases to get us to our top competitors? Why?

ALPA is our bargaining agent. Therefore ALPA is responsible...despite your efforts to deflect any blame for them even before we see the TA. Some things never change.

Carl

#99905

Carl Spackler , 05-20-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dalad

No way? Can you say AMR, UAL/CAL, and their amendable dates? Doesn't matter what the NMB does.

And so continues the ALPA-driven misinformation campaign. We are light years different than AMR and very different than the UAL/CAL situations.

Carl

#99906

forgot to bid , 05-20-2012 08:53 AM

veut gagner à la loterie

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Originally Posted by orvil

You don't mean getting rid of the HUD, do you? I can hand fly the shxt out that bitxx with a HUD!

When the HUD's out, I always gain a new level of respect for my FO's.

#99907

flyallnite , 05-20-2012 09:08 AM

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4844 is a no from me. Why should I make less than SWA, FDX, UPS? Hopefully the MEC sends it back before I have that opportunity, or maybe that's just a rumor. The time value of money pales in comparison to the time value of lowered self worth- something you can never get back. How about the time value of lowered morale of your frontline leaders? That won't be cheap...

#99908

Rather B Fishin , 05-20-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I posted on here a long time ago that pilots would be shocked at managements opener on pay. I don't know if 4,8,3,3 is accurate but I can tell you that their opener was a lot less. For reasons I don't understand many pilots you would consider intelligent think we have some kind of massive leverage on the company. When I ask them what it is and what kind of dollar value they attach to it they get a deer in the headlights look.
The reality is that there are a bunch of little reasons management would like to get a contract done now. There are however no compelling reasons they need a contract complete. They are willing to spend a bit of money to get it done now but there is no reason to open your checkbook wide when you have the RLA in your back pocket. 5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years.
I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later. I will not however vote for a 4,8,3,3 contract. I realize in effect its a 12 percent raise at the amendable date but I am not going to vote for it if it makes it out of the MEC. I have emailed my rep and asked him for a no vote if that is in fact the offer. In the end it comes down to the company showing some respect for the sacrifices of the pilot group. We should know tomorrow if the rumors are accurate. I hope they are not but if it comes to pass they are correct then the company has stated loud and clear how they value the pilot group and its sacrifices.
Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA.

So if in fact we see 4,8,3,3 is it safe to say "Constructive Engagement" was a failure? If indeed we would be "shocked" on managements opener on pay, then I would have to say "constructive engagement" was a COMPLETE FAILURE.

#99909

Justdoinmyjob , 05-20-2012 10:08 AM

Looking for a laugh

Finally met an APC'er

while on the jumpseat. Thanks TSquare for the ride! Nice use of expanding your team while dealing with "The Lady." BTW, it was all the Tennessee paraphenalia which clued me in! Have a great rest of the day and see ya round the farm. Here's hoping to some good news tomorrow.

#99910

scambo1 , 05-20-2012 10:20 AM

The Brown Dot +1

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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin

Generally speaking, I'd say 4,8,3,3 would be far beyond a complete failure.