Guys,

I understand where your loyalties are, but please don't post campaign links here...this is not the place for it.

Can we at least keep this thread (or even this site) free of political discussions? I am not really sure how that serves the guy that is trying to get a job here.

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Mike,
I am curious what that "negotiating position" is since we are not in negotiations? Can you help me understand what you know? Or how you know the ship is misguided? What is your frame of reference? What other airlines have you worked for? Have you actually done any negotiations or even read a book on negotiations? Have you done any union work anywhere that you would know how the negotiations ebb-and-flow goes?

I have looked at that link you put there and see no real thoughts or ideas on how to steer the misguided ship. Can you help us all understand what the new guys are going to do other than publish their pay statements?

It would also be interesting to know what they have done in the past. Eastern? Union or Unfortunate date of hire? Pan-Am (or Carnival?). Wasn't one of the guys under some sort of indictment with the company or the union?

Without any real data or a link to a web-site that has solutions to the real problems your post is moot. In fact you sound like a sour grapes military guy with no experience and and no solutions.

What gives? That was not anything I ever learned in the military.

Guys,

Please move this off this thread...serves no purpose for the intent of this thread. Please move this to our union pages.

Thanks.

....and some might think it would have everything to do with coming to work here

Actually it's refreshing to see some straight skinny

[QUOTE=thesandbox;1708713]....and some might think it would have everything to do with coming to work here[/QUOTE

Exactly what I was thinking! With the legacy contracts already being so much better than ours, and with most of them negotiating even bigger contracts right now, a prospective new hire might want to know some things about 1224 and where it could be heading. Diversity in this thread is needed. I mean…there is already 923 pages on "Atlas Hiring." Keep it up because there are other things that might affect a pilot wanting to come here.

[QUOTE=chip1;1708745]+1, when many of us hired in the last 4 years joined atlas we thought it was a step up thinking bigger equipment meant stronger contract, QOL, stronger independent minded union with its eye on gaining not what are we willing to give up mindset. IF the current union is questioning what we should give up in a time like this, then that pretty much explains my point about misguided. The ball is in our court yet we still maintain the "what are we willing to give up attitude"!!!????

I'm tired of the backdoor deals, the favors, the you scratch a my back i'll scratch yours, the old way of doing things "the exclusive club", and the conflicts of special interest while not taking care of the collective good of all. THis is what i learned in the military but that doesn't have any real bearing to everyone else. As far as union experience i wouldn't want to be associated or put my name/time yet into a place like this until it effectively served all membership. FYI, I served at a regional for 3 years as military liason. But you see none of that matters and its sad that someone has to come out and try to make it seem like we're headed in the right direction for the average noncheck airman/school house joe. Like others have said it'd been nice to know beforehand.

This is for the guy who isn't here yet and not sitting on top, its for the guy who will spend many of his days off for the next several years away from family commuting to ANC explaining why atlas was the "best" choice.

LOAs that have done NOTHING for the group as a whole.

If you think, at any point, we are not in negotiations, YOU are part of the problem.

[QUOTE=C5nwhaleguy;1708785] What has been given up? I guess I don't see that or understand the reference. Can you help me understand? How is that attitude maintained? Has the union given up on the membership? Have they stopped working for the crewmembers?

can you explain some of the deals you are talking about? Who is scratchin the unions back and how - what deals? Be honest here Mike because your credibility is on the line. You have made a bunch of accusations and innuendo so hopefully you have some real data to back it up. Some real examples. In the military I served in we learned to deal with fact, not with rumor, innuendo, and baseless accusations.

Which direction do you think we are headed? And what would you do to change that direction. In the military I served in, if you went to the Wing Commander with a problem, you better have a solution ready as well. So two questions

1. What is the problem? The real problem not just the rumor and innuendo

2. What is the solution? The real solution. We all get that you want to "toss the current leadership." Fine. So explain to us what YOU would do differently. How would you accomplish it?