Ok. So over a three year period under the current PC system, I'll have 9 device sessions. Under the 9 month rotation over that same time I'll have 12? Look I don't give a sh!t either way because like the overwhelming majority of our line guys, I seek to minimize my time in Miami. My only hope here is that the union gets good value for our membership for any changes to the CBA and has a plan for further improvements in the upcoming negotiations.

 

During my recent PC a young guy who is spear heading the AQP program ( who will probably be at Delta before this thing is ever brought to fruition) said that the program was presented to the company as a cost neutral proposition. I'm just sayin

BayBum

 

So, now we have become so "sensitive", that simply asking for facts to back up breakfast table BS is bullying. A lot of stuff was said that is BS and those involved know it. They float the BS so the table gets it and then when it is said more than five times, it becomes fact.

 

I think it just recently has become obvious to the old guard that they are about to lose control of the Union to a much more motivated and radical group that is going to bring outside of Atlas airline Unionism tactics here. Some just purely do not understand it, some are scared to fight and the rest have pulled up the ladder and do not give a sh!t.

 

I'm sorry, but the NEW group is using the same old smear tactics of old style politics. Planting BS and watching it grow.

 

The company need only read a handful of pages of this to realize they've got us almost exactly where they want us. Division and infighting is exactly what they want leading up to negotiations.

I'm pretty new here, but have some experience with negotiations and a pilot strike in my past. It's time now to elect our new leadership, get involved, and decide as a group what is important moving forward.

I believe constructive discussions about our path forward is healthy, and should be encouraged. But, we are going to get nowhere by rehashing the old vs new argument over and over again. Ultimately it is going to be a collective effort and believe me, you will want as much support from your fellow pilots, especially if and when the tide turns ugly down the road.

I'm not being condescending nor arrogant here, just merely saying we ought to try playing on the same ball field rather than separate ones if we want to see any real gains come next year. I think we can do it.

 

Couldn't agree more, thank you.

 

Can I just get a higher per diem to pay for the "morning muffin" grievance? We often leave hotels too early to get breakfast. Or we sleep through it because of a long day. Honestly I don't usually eat breakfast anyway - at home or on the road. I know, it's not supposed to be the most healthy thing to do, just don't tell my mom. I understand folks say its in the contract and I too think the company should abide by that. But what would be so wrong about just increasing the per diem rate $20 (approx price of Nagoya breakfast) so those who want a big badass buffet can have it and those who want to sleep through it can get lunch later?

For those without a sense of humor and fully aware they are too sensitive to attend a Daniel Tosh comedy act skip the next paragraph.

Besides, look at the heath benefits. When its free folks eat too much anyway in an effort to fill their "storage tanks" so they won't feel hungry until dinner or the flight later that night. Just like the free meals on the plane. Watching a few folks graze during flight you'd think the city you're heading to ran out of food weeks ago. If you have to use your own per diem to pay for it maybe you'll skip a few meals once and a while. We all know more than a few folks around here who make sure the hotel fully understands the American definition of ALL-you-can-eat buffet. At the very least you'll make more money for a meal you couldn't attend anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate a good breakfast when it's included AND I'm hungry. But with our crazy schedules I quite often miss them anyway.

 

Relax francis

Ive been a teamster in this union for ten years and to be honest its refreshing to see that people are interested in making it better. Its not about the new vs the old. I am not a senior Capt but many of the ones I fly with feel the exact same way. Its the ones who's pay will be effected or the ones that worked on the last contract., not saying who is right or wrong or they did a bad job but they are very defensive and seem to have the problem with some of the ideas of the new groups that are looking for a cahnge in leadership.

Its simple if you are happy with the current leadership then vote for yourself/ I mean them, they are running. If not then vote for another team. Just vote and then everyone can shut the front door

 

Wow, pretty harsh, C5...I am not sure I follow how this is a sinking ship. I do see the defeatist attitude (Stockholm Syndrome?!!) that some have, but to go that far is not based on reality. I am confident that even the weak-kneed "dinosaur" pilot that you regularly bash these days will make the right decision when the time comes.

While I understand the frustrations, I am not sure that banging that drum that I have been hearing lately is a wining strategy. And if it is, I have no problem with that, but please be careful in your rhetoric, since you seem to be painting with a pretty broad brush to the point of insulting and alienating the masses.