Originally Posted by NAAPilot1

The company need only read a handful of pages of this to realize they've got us almost exactly where they want us. Division and infighting is exactly what they want leading up to negotiations.

I'm pretty new here, but have some experience with negotiations and a pilot strike in my past. It's time now to elect our new leadership, get involved, and decide as a group what is important moving forward.

I believe constructive discussions about our path forward is healthy, and should be encouraged. But, we are going to get nowhere by rehashing the old vs new argument over and over again. Ultimately it is going to be a collective effort and believe me, you will want as much support from your fellow pilots, especially if and when the tide turns ugly down the road.

I'm not being condescending nor arrogant here, just merely saying we ought to try playing on the same ball field rather than separate ones if we want to see any real gains come next year. I think we can do it.

Originally Posted by KYTBRD

Can I just get a higher per diem to pay for the "morning muffin" grievance? We often leave hotels too early to get breakfast. Or we sleep through it because of a long day. Honestly I don't usually eat breakfast anyway - at home or on the road. I know, it's not supposed to be the most healthy thing to do, just don't tell my mom. I understand folks say its in the contract and I too think the company should abide by that. But what would be so wrong about just increasing the per diem rate $20 (approx price of Nagoya breakfast) so those who want a big badass buffet can have it and those who want to sleep through it can get lunch later?

For those without a sense of humor and fully aware they are too sensitive to attend a Daniel Tosh comedy act skip the next paragraph.

Besides, look at the heath benefits. When its free folks eat too much anyway in an effort to fill their "storage tanks" so they won't feel hungry until dinner or the flight later that night. Just like the free meals on the plane. Watching a few folks graze during flight you'd think the city you're heading to ran out of food weeks ago. If you have to use your own per diem to pay for it maybe you'll skip a few meals once and a while. We all know more than a few folks around here who make sure the hotel fully understands the American definition of ALL-you-can-eat buffet. At the very least you'll make more money for a meal you couldn't attend anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate a good breakfast when it's included AND I'm hungry. But with our crazy schedules I quite often miss them anyway.

Originally Posted by Vertigo1960

This is still the best thread for Atlas Hiring, right??? Seems to be drifting to negotiations. While it is useful to see some of the dynamics going on, is some of this better suited for the Union thread also on this board?

For those at Giant, good luck with your next contract. For those wanting to go to Giant...good luck with information gathering.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

For what it's worth I agree with you but the rumor I heard was that when that idea was floated by the company they responded with offering $1 a day extra. Just a line rumor and I have zero idea how true that is... My point is that you're not the only one who feels that way.

Originally Posted by Whaledriver

The deal was $1 an hour extra, but the company wanted to include the Polar grievance as part of the settlement. The ExCo can not speak for the Ex-Polar guys. Deal then fell apart.

Originally Posted by Whaledriver

The deal was $1 an hour extra, but the company wanted to include the Polar grievance as part of the settlement. The ExCo can not speak for the Ex-Polar guys. Deal then fell apart.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

$1 an hour should've been an easy yes. That'd be $24 a day. There's no way I'm going through $24 a day in breakfast. If we can't get together and say "yes" to things like that then we've got issues.

Originally Posted by Talon1011

My point exactly. The more space here that is taken up with Union bickering the less is available for information provided to prospective Atlas pilots. Obviously there is a valuable discussion to be had about internal union negotiation. That belongs in a separate thread. This thread is about how to get hired at Atlas. Pilots who are looking for information about this place are intelligent enough to look on both threads.

For the record, I am a 5+ year pilot here and am enjoying life immensely. Are there things that can improve? Of course there are. Are things better here than they were at my previous existence? Eminently. Please don't let the thrashings you read here cloud your thinking. Atlas is a good place to be. It could be a better place to be. Come along on board and be a part of making it better!!