Globemaster2827

We had 20 new hire spots on the 767 on the last vacancy award but that was before we announced these new planes. It wouldn't completely shock me if we hired 100 767 FOs in the next 8 months because we'll need them just to expand 4 airplanes. Then we'll probably lose 20 guys off the 767 to the majors. None of this counts retirements which will result in 767 FOs with 3 years moving to the 747. The hiring that Atlas does over the next year should be epic. I could see us hiring 150-200 people.

atpcliff

I feel fortunate. I have met 3 guys that got over 90. Never heard of anyone close to 100. Read about another very experienced guy who got a 34.

When i took the test, it was at the beginning. There was no gouge, no information, no thread on apc.com to research, and I had no one to help me pass the test. It thought it was quite difficult.

I recommend that guys try and get some other pilots to help them, with multiple computers and resources available to look up answers in the very little time available.

I have heard of a good number of pilots passing the test in this manner.

hvydvr

You seem to be under the impression that 1224 controls hiring at Atlas....

WTFover

Since you seem to be of the impression the pilot groups control what the airlines do, furloughs will not be necessary at ABX if, as with any moral pilot group, the pilots would stop picking up open time and accepting "junior man" assignments. In fact, if that level of spine were actually shown, they could even recall some of the guys still furloughed while those junior to them have been recalled.

Rhino12

Boycott the new jets? How would one do that? Should I refuse to work and put my job at risk too? Would that help the situation? Will that make those mean management folks "give back" the airplanes? I don't think so.

Brand X

They can definitely influence hiring if they have any balls.

Brand X

If Atlas guys don't bid the new jets and 1224 makes a deal with Atlas to hire the ABX pilots who will probably be furloughed, then it would influence the situation.

Globemaster2827

I was wondering how that might work out too...

hvydvr

Judging from your last few posts I guess the UPS and FedEx boards have run out of trollable topics. Have a nice day....

Polarfr8dog

Mr./Ms. Brand X:

After reading your posts I think we can understand why you're upset. After all, you're with ABX. Unlike some of those here I'm not going to browbeat your frustration but merely try and help you understand why venting (albeit, may be helpful for you to cope with the situation) at the pilot group simply does nothing to help your situation.

My background is several different airlines and only left some to improve my situation. Mergers, acquisitions, furloughs, bankruptcies took care of the rest and I only bring this up so that you know that I'm not just talking out of my posterior end. Most people know who I am and quite frankly, everything I have ever posted here OR on the 1224 'site, I would not hesitate to say again. In other words, as you have asked for the Union to have "balls," well, I do. In a respectable manner, of course.

Something tells me that 1224 will come up with some sort of agreement for preferential hiring as they have in the past. And if the company is smart -- which they are -- they will listen and possibly agree to it. People in their younger ages are leaving. Period. And if they don't they should. So it seems quite clear if they want to retain crews this is the way to go. Now . . . . one has to wonder where the cost/benefit analysis of hiring a young guy who leaves vs. having a guy stick around for a long time. Those numbers will never be released and as long as the company's profitability is there and their resume drawer is "chocked full" they won't care.

To point blame at the pilot group is simply a vent of frustration when not backed up by facts and we all know it's a management deal. I get that. Again, I have seen pilots suffer from mere actions of another pilot group. TWA during the American fiasco. Length of Service for returning crewmembers ONLY if they were on the property already. But I digress, as I don't care; nor should you as YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT. NONE -- as you have no control over this.

If I'm you I would accept the fact that the airframes are gone, hopefully you rat-holed some cash if expecting furlough, and turn your energy into finding that next job. Again, 1224 is going to try and help (my opinion) and it's not their fault, or ANY pilot's fault that this has happened.

Referencing your comment regarding not bidding the equipment does nothing for anyone. Again, I saw this in a previous airline where DC-9's were being parked and replaced with RJ's. So should I have been mad at Trans States for flying the very same route I flew last week in a DC-9? No, as I knew it was a management decision. Not the guys in the cockpit flying St. Louis to Jacksonville, FL.

Thick skin, loving this profession, defending your CBA, and standing up for the flight crews will get you to retirement. Thinking that management cares about us, our families, or our well being will only give you heartbreak.

Good luck with your future.

Fr8dog