I was wondering how that might work out too...

 

Judging from your last few posts I guess the UPS and FedEx boards have run out of trollable topics. Have a nice day....

 

Mr./Ms. Brand X:

After reading your posts I think we can understand why you're upset. After all, you're with ABX. Unlike some of those here I'm not going to browbeat your frustration but merely try and help you understand why venting (albeit, may be helpful for you to cope with the situation) at the pilot group simply does nothing to help your situation.

My background is several different airlines and only left some to improve my situation. Mergers, acquisitions, furloughs, bankruptcies took care of the rest and I only bring this up so that you know that I'm not just talking out of my posterior end. Most people know who I am and quite frankly, everything I have ever posted here OR on the 1224 'site, I would not hesitate to say again. In other words, as you have asked for the Union to have "balls," well, I do. In a respectable manner, of course.

Something tells me that 1224 will come up with some sort of agreement for preferential hiring as they have in the past. And if the company is smart -- which they are -- they will listen and possibly agree to it. People in their younger ages are leaving. Period. And if they don't they should. So it seems quite clear if they want to retain crews this is the way to go. Now . . . . one has to wonder where the cost/benefit analysis of hiring a young guy who leaves vs. having a guy stick around for a long time. Those numbers will never be released and as long as the company's profitability is there and their resume drawer is "chocked full" they won't care.

To point blame at the pilot group is simply a vent of frustration when not backed up by facts and we all know it's a management deal. I get that. Again, I have seen pilots suffer from mere actions of another pilot group. TWA during the American fiasco. Length of Service for returning crewmembers ONLY if they were on the property already. But I digress, as I don't care; nor should you as YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT. NONE -- as you have no control over this.

If I'm you I would accept the fact that the airframes are gone, hopefully you rat-holed some cash if expecting furlough, and turn your energy into finding that next job. Again, 1224 is going to try and help (my opinion) and it's not their fault, or ANY pilot's fault that this has happened.

Referencing your comment regarding not bidding the equipment does nothing for anyone. Again, I saw this in a previous airline where DC-9's were being parked and replaced with RJ's. So should I have been mad at Trans States for flying the very same route I flew last week in a DC-9? No, as I knew it was a management decision. Not the guys in the cockpit flying St. Louis to Jacksonville, FL.

Thick skin, loving this profession, defending your CBA, and standing up for the flight crews will get you to retirement. Thinking that management cares about us, our families, or our well being will only give you heartbreak.

Good luck with your future.

Fr8dog

 

Like Polarfr8dog and others have said, it is not in the hands of the pilots however what is in our collective hands is what's next and the 1224 Eboard has announced that they will do what they can for these pilots, it's already in the works. From the announcement:

"And in the meantime, the union is doing all it can to secure jobs for any ABX pilot who may be displaced by this movement of aircraft. Atlas management and DHL are currently supportive in this effort."

These pilots will not be forgotten as others haven't been. Hope that helps.

 

When last Atlas was ramping up 767 crews, 1224 members current and qualified were given preferential status and put through a short course to get to the line faster. Many 1224 pilots were hired and, I expect, will be this time as well.

 

We are all line pilots and have no say in what happens in the management offices of DHL and each ACMI carrier. Let's remember that it was ABX management who contractually made DHL buy a bunch of the airframes when they shut the ILN operation down; who knows if they considered whether other carriers would fly them or not (or that some POS's would ever fly again!).

 

1224 pot out a statement that said the abx and atlas terms and conditions for operating the 767 are essentially the same. No undercutting is what they said.

 

so essentially yes, ABX and DHL got what they want even if in fact there is preferential hiring here at Atlas... same pilots...lower pay. It is all part of the game. A prostitute is controlled by her pimp....no wonder I feel cheap and dirty. There is no concern for the human being anymore in corporatism these days when we are all numbers, both on a spread sheet and by your employee number.

 

Except Atlas gets paid less than ABX pilots. So yeah, essentially the same..... Atlas gets more jets and more flying for less pay than ABX pilots who will probably be on the street or have to start at the bottom at Atlas due to their generous preferential hiring. Nope. No undercutting here. Same jets, different pilots, less pay.

 

Exactly why are we spending so much time on this thread on this guy...

Polarfr8dog, and others...you have been way more patient that he deserves. It does not seem he is willing to accept the explanations that we have offered...things that he should already know if he's been in the airline business even for five minutes.

Goodbye, BrandX, take your trolling somewhere else...and let us get back to the intent of this thread.

Have a nice day, and believe it or not, we get it (your frustration) but we just don't think taking it out on us is very sporting of you.

744driver