You don't deserve to be in this profession. You know why regional pilots make start out making the money they do? Because of people like you. Thanks. I still wish you nothing but perril and anguish in your career as a pilot. I hope some day to come across you outside of these forums so I can tell you what I really think of you.

Ouch, I feel so hurt. But since I'm not married to you and you dont sign my checks, it really dosent matter what you think does it

It's o.k. At least I have self respect and won't allow myself to be pimped out by Eagle Jet. Unlike you, I am concerned about where this industry is heading, and am doing my best to help prevent the demise of a decent wage for a decent days work. And, unlike you, I have a family to support. I don't suck of my mom and dads nipple to have a good time flying airplanes. And, unlike you, I get my turbine time not only paid for, but my company pays for the training as well. I may only sit right seat when I fly turbines, but atleast I get paid to do it, FROM THE START. I wasn't so desperate with SJS and flying multi-crew airplanes that I went and paid someone $25k to get a taste of what may be. I can only hope that the people who see this in the future of your career see that you tried to shortcut things and see it for what it really is. Just some chump who has done nothing but put the industry into the gutter.

I grew up around chief pilots, when the PFJ and PFT time was just comming of age. They were all disgusted with it and refuse to hire someone who has participated in it. So, when you finally get to a level of a decent job, good luck with this not biting you in the butt.


Your attitude reflects why this industry is in a constant decline for the last 20 years. I guess you got yours so nothing else matters. What you don't realize it that eventully it's going to catch up with you, and some CEO is going to get his all over you.

Don't confuse prostitutes with wh0res.

Prostitutes are professionals and work to make a living, wh0res do it because they love it and are willing to do it for free.

Whoa Nelly! Easy on the jetpipe overheat! Not everyone feels that way, what about all the RJ trainers out there like American Fliers or MAPD or ATP? Then again someone that has had there wheels greased from the get go doesn't understand the struggle to work in an industry that is full of passionate people. HMMM. Also, I'm sure the Unions haven't sold anyone out in all of their representation.... Keep drinking the koolaide and you will always stay an FO

MSHunter your out of line and if PM won't jump in and tell you then others should. You wish Peril and anguish on anyone shows just how much you are out of touch with professionalism in this industry. If you had a better national union you would have better pay. Training in any industry is just training. YOur upset because someone found the means to possibly short cut the waiting period. Your argument is the same as West Point or any Service Academy v.s. ROTC. Give me a break and quit thinking of yourself first and do some good in the world of 121.

FYI. check my profile dude. I FO occosionaly. The majority of the time I fly single pilot charters. And I went to ATP and tought at American Flyers. I have been around the industry nearly my entire life I know what it takes to make it to the top and hope to be there some day. If I do make it there and a guy shows up with PFJ in his logbook, the interview will be over! Do I feel pasionate about this topic? You bet. I don't need some spoiled rich kid ruining for those of us who have to work for what we have.



Thats the difference between you and me. I will NEVER fly 121. I have had in previous and still have a very personal relationship with my boss. He's the kind of guy that makes sure we are taken care of. The kind of boss that invites you and your family to his house for a BBQ. The kind of boss that if you call in sick, you don't have to stand infront of him and explain yourself. The kind of boss you don't need union protection from.


I'd love to post more, but I am texting from my phone right now. When I get back to CA at my computer I'll post more.

i guess what MS wants is for us to just not get a job. MS im not saying PFT is the way to go, but what you don't know is there are no flying jobs out there, and this includes flight instructing jobs. For some of us who are tired of working in non-aviation jobs, and are ready to fly for a living PFT is looking like the only option. When a instructor has over 500 hrs of dual given and sends out resumes to 5 flight schools and recieves no response, that should tell you something. For some people the only option is to wait for the market to change (god knows when that will happen) or PFT weather it be eagle jet, or buying a block in a seneca. If i was to do this (which i dont think i am) it wouldn't be paid by mommy and daddy it would be a @$$ busting loan that took years to pay off. Its obvious you broke into the market when jobs were plentiful, so don't bust on others who took the only option available to them. Anyone who wishes bad on other pilots gives the industry a worst rap than those who PFT.

Is this still worth it? Borderline bankruptcy to fly? Dismiss all the other stuff in here, but I never made enough money to pay for that type of loan until after I flew freight. I've never been 121 either.

Every aviation job I have had has been in this market. And it has happened one of two ways. Either from connections, or from putting a face to a resume. Most employers (even non-aviation) will look at a resume sent via e-mail as something that goes in the round file. I got the job I am working at right now two months ago. I finished up my ratings a little over two years ago, WHEN THE AIRLINES WERE FURGHLOUGHING LIKE CRAZY. You have to pound the pavement and make contacts. It has always been that way unless you fly for an airline, and even then a contact helps out huge. The only reason I got my first job as a flight instructor was because I was persistant. I was in there once a week for a month, and called the chief pilot a few times a week for the same time frame. Perserverance. What makes you think you'll be anymore competitive after you PFT and have 1200tt than someone who did it the traditional way who has the same turbine time, but another 2500TT? Because trust me, there is TONS of those guys on the street right now. Why do you think your resume has been looked past?

As for wishing bad on those who PFT. I wish this because this is the reason why wages have come down so much. PFT is destroying a once good career. Why would you pay someone for a job that they would happily pay for. The only reason that most airlines don't do it as well is because of unions. Do you want to have to pay for working for someone for 2-5 years as an FO so you can make $30k as a captian? Because thats what PFT will lead this industry into. People just don't get it.


Edit: Am I the exception. No. I am the rule. Why do I say that. Because I still do it the traditional way, by meeting people, and doing the right thing, as in earning everything I have right now, not buying my way into the right/left seat of anything I have ever flown. Employers see that, and understand that I will not try and short cut them, or use them for a fw months to get to that next step. I flight instructed for seven days a week for two years to make it here. Now, I am salary, work a few days a week, na dhelp out in the office/with maint. and make extra money for doing that. If the PFT guys had an ounce of self respect and didn't have such a "I got mine, screw everyone else" attitude, then maybe the regionals would pay more than poverty wages and I'd have considered a 121 career.