XJT, S5 are the silver pilot refuge spots it seems. I myself am going to XJT. I think some got a mad dog job in Florida. I know others are lined up for interviews at different places

CP's at other airlines wont fire you for some of the reasons that ours has. I care if he loves or hates me because he's the one in control of my job and I'll tell you right now my run in with him is a huge factor in my leaving. Sure an upgrade will most likely come faster here than at others places, but I refuse to work for a company that does business like Silver does. Expressing my concerns up the chain of command did nothing so it was time to talk with my feet. With that being said every airline, job, industry etc. etc. has problems and IMO you try and choose the one with the least sometimes you hit a home run and other times you strike out, but you can always go out to bat for another team if need be. You want more info PM me.

Cruz keeps it real

This conversation is over!!!

Amen.... But it stems all over the company. The sad thing is management is content with running an airline with less than mediocre efforts much less standards. Seems fleiger wants change in the company, I hope he's aggressive enough to clean up the mess left at his plate.

Well you sure showed him...
Im sure he loses sleep because you left.

I hope your as vocal about Horizons Management when you have that loving drum circle session with them... Lmao

Making a career decision because you dont like the CP isnt the best way to go about things.... He could be gone tomorrow and you left for what?
To the original question... Weigh the positives and negatives. If there are more negatives FOR YOUR SITUATION then leave... But make your own decision and don't leave because other people say you should...

Everyone thats here was grateful for the call... Seems to be a lot of "what have you done for me lately" going around...

Exactly... everyone has to weigh their personal options I guess. If the FOs keep leaving with no replacements, combined with the Capts that will start to move on to bigger and better things in the next year, they'll have a lot of challenges ahead.

And in reference to the CP, no hugs are needed, just someone who does their job. Specifically, "Facilitates and encourages positive communications between crewmembers and the office of the Chief Pilot." or "Acts as liaison between SAC and the pilot's union" The job function is not to yell at pilots, but to work as middle managers that are liaisons between the pilots and company management. Show me one other successful airline whose chief pilot views pilots as a hindrance on success.

Cruz -

How long do you think it will be before the luster wears off at your new company? Will it last longer than the love fest at Silver?
You are awfully critical of Silver when you praised them so highly not so long ago for having enough faith in you to give you that chance you so desired. Seems your attitudes shift pretty quickly.

It is good you 'talked with your feet'.
More should do that. I hope this time around that you listen a little more closely to some of those that have gone before you.

As for some of the other comments:
- How do you know CPs at other airlines won't fire you for the same things that you allege the CP at Silver fired people for?
- Is he really the one in control of your job? I'm seriously asking this because I would think that there would be quite a few others who would have a say in a termination (your union for one).
- I'm not sure if you have ever posted about your run-in with the CP, but are you sure that you wouldn't get the same results if you brought up a similar problem at your new airline?

I'm familiar with the incident and I can only say that it would never have happened at Trans States.

Not going to put any more out there until Cruz does but thats just from me.

That being said...this place isn't ALL bad. It's a diamond in the rough just looking for a way to shine!

(I swear I'm not drinking the kool-aid, just trying to counter all the doom & gloom of late)

I'm not going to sit here and explain in detail what has happened to me or the many others but you're pretty ignorant to what goes on all around you. I'm glad that you enjoy Silver enough to stay though, by staying put for that elusive upgrade you enable this place to continue what they do best and that's take advantage of their employees from station agents up to management. A lot of people came for the quick upgrade or chance at 121 I know I did, but this was not the same airline I was hired at. It's not just the shine of 121 wearing off either after continual beat downs I said enough is enough I'm not going to stay here for this supposed magical PIC I'll need to move on. My philosophy is this... If it's meant to be it'll be if I get to a Major great!!! In the mean time though I'm going to respect my self worth and not allow myself to be treated like a grade school-er for a measly 2K a month paycheck with 7-10 days at home. Like I've said all along if you're ok with mediocrity GREAT!!! Every person has their own ideas on what works best for themselves. Like I said I've spoke with multiple people up the chain of command to right wrongs as I and others saw them and I was on the scheduling committee for our base as well remember that was all volunteer and I had no qualms about it either. Only changes I saw were for the way worse. I call an ace an ace and a spade a spade only good thing about this airline now is the coworkers I've befriended. I'd bend over backwards to help any of our pilots out because we've all been pulled through the mire together even you buddy.