Gald to hear it. We need more open minded new hires that listen to the truth/facts and make educated decisions vs the spin/lies of management. The problem is that too many come here and either belived the spin/lies and drink the koolaid such that they take the company position on every thing and spout "Oh, JetBLue will take care of us" or "JetBlue wouldn't do that" or "JetBlue will make us whole".

One of the problems for the typical new hire is that you need to appear to drink the koolaid to get hired and training. I have no proof that anything is going on, but it really seems funny that way to many new hires are oozing koolaid from every opening when they get to the line. It then takes several years for them to start to see the truth/facts vs the lies/spin from management.

Just my opinion.......

FNG

Who is insulting? I am merely saying that I am amazed that anyone "who has the qualifications" would see B6 as a destination carrier. And, I would advise any guy who hasn't finished college to hit the books.



Wow!!! Not so fast there with the rationalizations!

I am NOT talking about forecasting "anything". I'm talking about forecasting the likelyhood of JB Pilots having a competitive contract "within" the next 5 years. THAT, and SPECIFICALLY THAT, is extremely unlikely.

The Airline industry is all about forecasting and IT IS accurate looking 24 months ahead using historic data.

No Causal Forecasting would predict anything other than continued sub par compensation. And, that forecast would be accurate for at least the next two years, and beyond!



JJ

JB has lower mins/educational requirements than the big carriers. JB has many Pilots who are unable to apply to the big carriers!


I can't put it any simpler than that.


JJ

Sooo..... Hopefully that's the last time you are going to repeat that.

They can apply to AA when ever they decide to start hiring.

True. However, if we voted in a CBA tomorrow, the same might be true. I came from a carrier that spent almost 7 years in negotiations on an amendment to a CBA, much less an initial CBA. Not sure where you're going with this unless it's a "we'd be one year closer if a union were voted in last year."

I don't disagree with that. You and others have said jetBlue is hiring guys that can't go anywhere else. In my class, the only guys that DIDN'T have TPIC both had degrees and could apply at Delta and United. Neither has a TPIC requirement, and of the two Delta is the only one that requires a degree. If you wanna get technical, Delta and United don't require an ATP while jetBlue does. They require ATP mins, but not the actual rating. Looking at US Airways, pretty much every regional FO could apply their as well. I'd wager that MOST guys applying (at least when the window is open) at jetBlue could/are applying at least to United and US Airways. The guys with degrees could apply at Delta as well. Of the FOs I flew with over the past 5 years, I think maybe 1 or 2 DIDN'T have degrees. With the way internet courses work right now, there's really no way you can't finish a degree on-line.

I'd prefer to see some kind of turbine hour requirement here myself. I'm not defending their stated minimums, I'm just pointing out that what guys THINK people are being hired with and what they actually ARE might not be the same.

Like your class, my class in 2011 had 2 out of 20 that didn't have turbine PIC.

Thanks, man. That's awesome news. I can't wait until they open the window again now that I meet the requirements and can apply.

Some of you JetBlue haters and complainers are so out to lunch all I can do is laugh. Two guys I know have been at American for almost 15 years. They are on reserve and make 110 hour. Buddy at united has been there over 12 and makes 109 hour. Another buddy at continental 7 years at 94 hour. So if you think JetBlue is not up to par with pay your out to lunch. You can't compare JetBlue to a cargo company that flies internationally. If you do then throw all the other cargo companies in the mix and see where the pay falls. Your also dead wrong on hiring mins. Delta does not even require an ATP. It's not like guys are going to JetBlue cause its the only place they can, they are the only ones hiring. Yeah I know delta opened window to interview in late 2013. United/cal opened there window, even though about 1500 still furloughed, good luck there. FedEx was hiring, family and friends. Southwest brought in about 140, all stuck behind the AirTran guys. The bottom line is this, compare JetBlue pay to other companies that fly the same airplane. Not delta's or united's highest pay scale, look at their lowest pay scale, cause that's where you will be. Some "legacies" have lower hiring mins. Right now, and for 2013 JetBlue is the only place hiring. You complainers are just talking out of your A**