jetblue pilot poolies
12-01-2012 | 01:48 PM
#1091
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To me, a major airline is a major airline.
Now, I have no problem keeping the current peer set, but that means no Virgin America, no Spirit, no Allegient till they become major airlines per DOT. But you still have to ask are they a Destination Airline?
Just my opinion.......
FNG
Now, I have no problem keeping the current peer set, but that means no Virgin America, no Spirit, no Allegient till they become major airlines per DOT. But you still have to ask are they a Destination Airline?
Just my opinion.......
FNG
And will surpass last year's results in 2012: http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=717279
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12-01-2012 | 01:52 PM
#1092
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So is American Eagle.
Major airline is not the sole designation by the pilot group. Management likes it though.
Major airline is not the sole designation by the pilot group. Management likes it though.
12-01-2012 | 04:52 PM
#1093
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Except that regional carriers are are not major airlines and are not considered "destination carriers" per the agreed to peer set definition. Thus they don't count. As for like aircraft at UPS and FedEx. FedEx has a small vs large aircraft pay scale (use the small one) and UPS pays on pay rate regardless of type (use that one). As to the idea of where they fly should make no difference. To me, a major airline is a major airline.
Now, I have no problem keeping the current peer set, but that means no Virgin America, no Spirit, no Allegient till they become major airlines per DOT. But you still have to ask are they a Destination Airline? In addition, USAir needs to become a single entry (aveage east and west together), vs two entries in the average (both driving the average down).
12-01-2012 | 05:17 PM
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I'd love to have FedEx or UPS in the peer group, but they don't fly any of the equipment (or even comparable equipment) to what we fly. If we have the right to ask for them, then management might as well say they want regional carriers operating E170 and -900s in the peer set. Let's just stick to keeping it realistic and make sure Delta, Uni-Cal, etc are in the peer set. They fly A320s. We fly A320s. The 717/MD-88/MD-90 isn't THAT different as far as seats/routes go than the E190. We're not flying to Tokyo or the middle east, so I think asking for UPS and FedEx to be in the peer set is a little over reaching.
Off subject here. Just wanted to say I'm glad you finally made it out of 9e. Congratulations.
12-01-2012 | 05:48 PM
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Actually, it was said that Spirit already hit the DOT definition last year and, by the end of 3Q 2012 was just shy of hitting it again for 2012. So, it will surpass 2011 when it hit the target.
12-01-2012 | 06:54 PM
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Good point, however I still think it would be a very tough sell trying to get FedEx and UPS grouped into the peer set. I'd love to see it happen, however it would also have to depend on what we'd have to give in the negotiation to get them. If the company says "Sure, you can have them, but the premuim trigger goes to 85 hours," I say keep them out. If we can somehow get them "cost netural," jump on it.
Can't disagree here, except as someone already pointed out, Spirit is likely going to hit the DOT definition. Virgin America? Probably not since they're scaling back their growth.
Can't disagree here, except as someone already pointed out, Spirit is likely going to hit the DOT definition. Virgin America? Probably not since they're scaling back their growth.
Just my opinion.......
FNG
12-01-2012 | 08:44 PM
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Good point, however I still think it would be a very tough sell trying to get FedEx and UPS grouped into the peer set. I'd love to see it happen, however it would also have to depend on what we'd have to give in the negotiation to get them. If the company says "Sure, you can have them, but the premuim trigger goes to 85 hours," I say keep them out.
12-01-2012 | 09:02 PM
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I agree with diesel. More pay for what you actually have to do. Who works on a day off?!
12-02-2012 | 05:58 AM
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Probably a bad example. What I was going for was if adding FedEx or UPS to the peer set won't increase take home pay based on W2 wages if management wants something to offset it, there's no reason to do it.
FNG, the problem with defining a "destination carrier" that way is different people apply at airlines for different reasons. To me, jetBlue IS a destination carrier, hence the reason I'm willing to work to make it better rather than go somewhere else. I know guys that will apply to places like Delta, UAL, etc and just take whichever calls first, but might leave one for the other based on base choices, work rules, insurance, etc. I know several guys at Delta that would rather be at FedEx, but Delta is still considered a "destination carrier." For them, it's not. They're still applying at FedEx. Me? I'm not applying anywhere else right now.
FNG, the problem with defining a "destination carrier" that way is different people apply at airlines for different reasons. To me, jetBlue IS a destination carrier, hence the reason I'm willing to work to make it better rather than go somewhere else. I know guys that will apply to places like Delta, UAL, etc and just take whichever calls first, but might leave one for the other based on base choices, work rules, insurance, etc. I know several guys at Delta that would rather be at FedEx, but Delta is still considered a "destination carrier." For them, it's not. They're still applying at FedEx. Me? I'm not applying anywhere else right now.
12-02-2012 | 06:47 AM
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Good point, however I still think it would be a very tough sell trying to get FedEx and UPS grouped into the peer set. I'd love to see it happen, however it would also have to depend on what we'd have to give in the negotiation to get them. If the company says "Sure, you can have them, but the premuim trigger goes to 85 hours," I say keep them out. If we can somehow get them "cost netural," jump on it.
Can't disagree here, except as someone already pointed out, Spirit is likely going to hit the DOT definition. Virgin America? Probably not since they're scaling back their growth.
Can't disagree here, except as someone already pointed out, Spirit is likely going to hit the DOT definition. Virgin America? Probably not since they're scaling back their growth.
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