Is this the Embry Riddle/UND program that's been in place for years? If so that's hardly been "leaked" and there are already pilots at JetBlue that went through this program. Either way a guy with real PIC in a 402 is not who you should be worried about. It's the guys who have been rotting away in the right seat of an RJ for years, who's only real PIC decisions have been when to return from the practice area or what FBO to park at on a XC, you should be worried about.

 

Yes and yes.

 

A good place to work in terms of what?


JJ

 

Our benefits are lacking, yes especially medical and LTD. hence my wanting a CBA. The pay as a stand alone issue is on par with the industry, however when you look at total compensation yes we are lacking, hence the desire for a CBA. However, in my second year on the 190 I am on par to make over 80k. Not great but could be worse and more than I would make at any other pax carrying operation other than the new TA at DAL. I am fortunate in that me and my family's health condition (no serious illnesses or problems) but I realize that we need better, less out of pocket medical care. I would like to a better retirement plan than the 5% out of pocket that gets you 5% matching + 8% board discretion, once again argument for a CBA. The reason the job is good is because of the pilots I have had the privilege of flying with here at JB, minus a couple of individuals. The profile of pilot that JB tends to hire makes this a good place to work. After all that is almost all of my daily exposure to the Work environment here at JB. I see constant connecting of the dots and unfounded, out of context facts slung around like monkey poop on these forums. I get that things could be better and if they don't pilots will leave in droves starting next year, however JB is a good place work not the best but good. The only way we can have any control over improving it is to vote for a CBA.

 

Out of context "facts". Please elaborate.

 

You list some excellent examples of the problems here at JetBlue. But you forgot a few:

1. No real merger protection
2. No scope protection
3. No realistic grevience process
4. No job protections or representation to protect you from management (like Bill W at FLL)
5. Sub par work rules with changes and new interpretations via email
6. All of the above and what you posted not in our contract (like a real CBA has)

to name a few....

Yes, "most" of the people are good to work with. However, we have too many back stabbing fellow pilots that work to become management pilots by stepping on thier fellow pilots to get ahead. Then throw in the ones that rat out fellow pilots to management directly or send photos/text messages of things they don't like to CPs/ACPs/System CPs. Always worring about who might rat you out for the least little thing is stress we don't need, but have to live with every day.

Yes, working at JetBlue is good, except it is like walking a tight rope with no net. As long as things go along smoothly and there is no wind you are find. But let the wind kick up and you fall to your death. That makes the stress increase 5-10 fold becuase you and your family are always at RISK!

Just my opinion.......

FNG

 

Being around good guys does not make it "a good place to work". That merely makes it "a good place to hang out" and certainly doesn't benefit your wife and family in any way.

This is a career, not a hobby! If I want to have a pleasant time with a bunch of Pilots, I can go to the local flying club.

Industry std compensation, benefits, and decent work rules make an Airline "a good place to work". And, your family will actually benefit from those too. My wife and kids don't care if I work with a bunch of stone faced boring old men or a bunch of happy go lucky jokers. And, why should I? This is my job and my primary goal isn't to have fun. I have family, friends, and hobbies for that.

My family needs financial stability, medical, retirement, and for me to be home courtesy of decent work rules.

On the subject of incorrect info, I hate to inform you that the pay rates are BELOW AVERAGE and not on par as you claim!

However, you are right about the importance of a CBA.


JJ

 

It's getting beyond boring now. You are preaching to the choir. You guys are a real treat. It must be an absolute blast to spend time with you. Please move on, nothing to see here.

 

Well I get paid above average for a second year FO at any major and that as the eight of you love to fling around "is a fact". We are still on the peer set pay scale, for now anyway. Hence the fact is we are not lower on pay alone. Once again argument for a CBA. As for Workplace environment you and I must agree to disagree on that subject. Day to day is the guy next to you makes up most of my exposure to the company, hence I value the quality of individual that the company puts there. Obviously you don't, just a difference of opinion. You obviously have not flown with the backstabing, moral less individuals i have flown with and known over my carreer, quality of the pilots i fly with is a big issue for me, after all any organization is only as strong as its weekest link. FNG brought up the real issues. Great post FNG320!!

 

Let's see...$80k plus 90% of my E-6 equals a $100k plus pay day. That's about $40k more a year than where I am now and if I were to upgrade tomorrow (going toward 10 year upgrades again and a spin off) that's still $20k more. Hmmm.....

Oh, yes to CBA. Maybe not ALPA, but yes.