Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor? - Page 1213

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flyguydanny , 03-21-2017 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Datsun

Ok, this misinformation needs to stop. I'm working on a second degree locally, and no it's not a community college, paying right around $3k per semester full time including all books, fees, and supplies. For someone starting from scratch, taking it easy and taking 12 semesters to finish, and allowing for a couple screw-ups along the way, that comes out to about $36k. I'm intentionally using high-side numbers to make a point.

That's hardly unaffordable, life long debt.

That's great! Good on you Mate. A lot of folks don't have 36K laying around when you have a family to support.

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Mesabah , 03-21-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

You are quite incorrect. I have applied for many jobs that require a BS degree; some required a MS. Don't have them? Your application goes into the round file. It's simple... you don't have a degree, you do not qualify for the job.

No studies read here, just real-life experience, outside the tiny little cocoon of airline pilots.

Which jobs were those? Were the degrees required not in the specific field of work?

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4myfamily , 03-21-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

You have probably read a study that is being put out by Universities, about how a college degree is required. This is passive advertising. However, in reality it doesn't exist this way. I don't know of any profession other than airline pilot that require non-specific degrees as a hard skill. Yes, it may be such where a degree is a competitive requirement, but you will find the employer always lists that as "college preferred".

Delta has hired lucky individuals without the degree, and they seem to be successful, since none have been sent back to 9E yet.

Most sales jobs in pharma and medical device require a degree. Not a business degree just the piece of paper. Lots of examples of this in corporate America. I couldn't hire my best friend who was a great salesman because he didn't have a degree. Do some research and you will see it just "ain't" the way you see it.

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Space Ranger , 03-21-2017 07:46 PM

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Unethical to require a college degree? what?

I think we should lobby Delta to allow sweatpants to be an approved part of the uniform. They don't restrict us from doing our job at all, so why are dress pants required? Those don't make me a better pilot either.

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Mesabah , 03-21-2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Space Ranger

Do you go into debt for 20 years for a pair of pants? I have flown with pilots that have $150,000+ in college debt.

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greenroute , 03-21-2017 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Do you go into debt for 20 years for a pair of pants? I have flown with pilots that have $150,000+ in college debt.

and to show for it they have one of the best jobs in the world?

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Mesabah , 03-21-2017 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4myfamily

I googled it, and this was the first article that came up.
Qualifications for Medical Sales | Chron.com
It's fine to require a degree in a related field. However, having a degree in painting, or golf, as acceptable for an airline pilot job to check a box, is out of line.

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CaptYoda , 03-22-2017 12:07 AM

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Will Endeavor positive space you for the interview from overseas?

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chucknav , 03-22-2017 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Here is another job that requires a degree. It IS a requirement to have a 4-year degree to be an officer in the US Air Force and it doesn't matter what your degree is in. My degree was accounting and I was a navigator. It is simply a box you have to check. This is also true of many federal civilian jobs that I have looked at over the years. Check out usajobs.gov if you don't believe me. The federal government discriminates against non degree holders often.

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jethikoki , 03-22-2017 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by flyguydanny

Dude... you're missing the point. I understand where you're coming from. However, what you're trying to justify is discrimination against hard working folks that don't have a degree... So what you're saying is "well, all the guys that have a degree your better than those that don't so you get to flow to Delta! ... while the rest of the non-degree losers work at the Regional for the rest of their lives". It makes zero sense man. If there is a "flow" or whatever you want to call it in the future. It needs to be fair for everyone, in order of seniority period.

No age, or degree discrimination. If you possess the ability the fly an aircraft in a safe manner that happens to say "Delta Connection" on it, and fly into the same airport as mainline. In my opinion you are more than capable of flying an aircraft that says "Delta" on it into the same airports as Delta Connection.

This of course is all talk. Nothing we do our say will change what Delta does and I respect that. It's their airline they can pick and choose. However, if we "flow" we all flow equally, that's the only fair way to do it.

Nope, I say that if you are offered a flow from a company like DAL that has a poor history of having one I say jump on it. You can continue to make improvements as time goes. For those that do not have a degree would benefit from those leaving and gaining better seniority. Also for those without a degree they can continue working on a degree. If it is true then for those that had a degree were discriminated against for those that did not have.

If you are truly worried about your so called idea of discrimination then why do you not mention anything about how all regional pilots are discriminated against by mainline pilots for different pay and benefits for the same work performed?