That is at the limit of what I find acceptable because it is low time behind the door, but that still doesn't approach the CDOs we were about to have crammed down our throats.... If we do those there better damned well be a limo waiting curbside both going and coming, and our keys in hand within 2 minutes of walking thru the hotel doors... otherwise, my flights will be delayed in the morning, and every second I am on hold waiting for crew skeds adds to that.

But if they pay 10:30, I won't have to worry about them. Neither will reserves.

I think we have helmet fires on this because we don't have this crap now. And even if we somehow negotiate "protections", they WILL get violated, and pilots WILL fly them and grieve it later. Then begins the data collection. There is little upside in that. And then there's the likelihood that the "protections" will be watered down in subsequent contracts, because they were "proven" to be safe. Naaaaaah, let's leave that dumb ass camel out in the desert where it belongs or else make it onerous enough to the company that they won't want to do them.

Your points are good (and thanks for chiming in with your own experience) but how would you reconcile the post of "only SDT line holders, no hybrid lines" with our preferential bidding system? PBS by design is a "hybrid" line building system.

While lots of guys might bid these, and some bid them exclusively, there would be many more that would bid perhaps just one or two. Or, throughout the month they might want to pick one up here and there. How is that done at Mesabah?

You just simply pickup/GS an SDT out of open time. The company should not be able to force anyone who does not want to do an SDT, to do one. SDT's suck for commuters, plain and simple.

This is absolutely correct. I've done these in the past, and they suck. It isn't just getting behind on one night's rest, either, it's cumulative. By the end of the rotation, you can easily forget to do a checklist because you're so out of it. And, yes, I write from experience. God help the crew who has an emergency.

The easiest way to do it is to have pre-built lines to bid on. It is just like hard lines of years past but programmed into PBS. You could also just make CDO lines an option like reserve is an option. In other words, you could bid a regular line, reserve line, or CDO line. Anything not bid would go into open time. If you made them desirable enough there wouldn't be many in open time.

The key to any CDO system are the rules. I'd make the rules a bit simpler than Mesabah but he has the right idea. I'd limit block to two hours, time behind door at least four hours, three in a row to line holders, and two in a row for reserves. They couldn't be continuous to regular pairings if picked up from open time. There are probably more rules that make sense but I'm spit-balling.

As I mentioned before it probably doesn't make much sense to have high credit CDOs and min day pay as there is no efficiency to the company. I suppose the company might want some schedule flexibility. It would have to be a pretty good deal to allow CDOs while we already have min day.

I'm a simple minded guy. You all can discuss the arguments for and against CDO's. But, bottom line, with an ADG of 5:15, any CDO paying less than 10:30 is a concession.

Denny

Denny

Your a radical.

Nice.

Jerry

Give the guy a great month and he goes all crazy on us.

Denny, quit pushing the DPA agenda.

A normal SDT line has 12 trips, plus you could pick up another four, throw in a few at double pay, that would be over 2000 credit per year. I like the way you think.