Mostly the C1 reps sound like self-centered egotists. "Don't worry we will protect you from all evil, we are righteous and almighty". Can they bend steel with their bare hands? Sigh.

There is help if you need it.

I disagree. They are good guys and want a great contract for all of us.

So how do you how where the other councils fall out on this issue? Since you seem to know, please share with the group.

Scoop

I don't know anything. That is the point. Why? Because they aren't sharing their take on internal machinations with the pilot body-at-large. THAT is their job right now. They could be in lock step with council one. Who knows? I don't.


This passive aggressive stunt only highlights their dissatisfaction as LEC reps. But because they are willing to say some things, but not what they mean...its starts fires burning all over the place.

And passive aggressive is precisely what this is. And how well does any individual or group respond to that kind of behavior?

What I do know is that by taking this outside the confines of discussions with their LEC colleagues they have created tangential problems I am sure they didn't consider.

Let us start with collegiality. How are other councils going to view these individuals airing the dirty laundry of the group? Do they really think that a move like this will endear them to other councils when those councils are playing by the rules? Do they think that will win them votes NOW from other LEC's?

The other thing they didn't consider is the company opening a section once closed because these LEC reps mentioned it. Why? Because they know that if they press to test on sick leave, they can gain back something else over 'here' they didn't want to give and then be back at zero sum on sick leave again.

Please, everyone reading this, think about what it is like to be on both sides of that table. It's only in having some empathy for the plight and struggle that both sides go through in negotiations that can you gain insight into why any mention of satisfaction or dissatisfaction becomes a bargaining chip for the mgmt side.

Yes, I know that the company generally knows what we want. But in active negotiations when a group ADVISING the negotiators for us publicly points out a few very specific things, this is dangerous and just plain old stupid.

I said it once, I will say it before...its bush league. I expect more from pilots at this airline elected to represent people. This move smacks more of ego than it does anything else.

To me, it looks like a pre-emptive move for them to distance themselves from a contract they don't think MSP will like and help keep them in office. Why else would they go wide? Do they really think that this would help push their point with the MEC?

I'm still flabbergasted that any LEC would publish this pre-TA.

Once again a handful of King's recall arrogant and ignorant ego maniacs are trying to bypass the MEC like they did for C2012.

Somehow that is acceptable to the kook aid club here on posters anonymous.

Hopefully the courage displayed by Council 1 will be the beginning of the end for Richard's lap dogs.

It would add value to your posts if you would.
A) not utilize useless slander and hyperbole.
B) use verifiable facts to prove your 'points'
3) construct a single logical argument.

Look, its ok to be mad. It is also to be worried that we are going to get screwed. Are we going to? Dunno. Maybe?

Maybe do it like this:

GZSG

I think that Council 1 was simply voicing their frustration. With the bad blood from the SLI combined with some more local issues, this is understandable coming from MSP.

Some posters on here, to me, seem to be too much on the side of the company. But that is just my opinion. I can't prove it. And maybe they really are just trying to keep everyone calm and rational while our elected reps get a TA hammered out. But I still think they are lapdogs.

sincerely,

George.

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See? Like that.

Publish OUR own survey results and 99% of the distrust and acrimony disappears.
Save the BS that it will "tip our hand" to the company. I'm quite sure they know we want more money and less work.

Let's review C2012.

4,8,3,3 shocks the entire pilot group. Blindsided and disillusioned.

Then we self fund with an unauthorized reduction in profit sharing. So it is really 4,4,3,3.

Then inflation over the duration.

If that wasn't pathetic enough, we increase the ALV 2 hours and give away hundreds of jobs. We slow hiring and upgrades.

Wait, there's more. 99 hours for reserves. What kind of idiot agrees to that?

And then there is the the summer calendar. More jobs lost. Delayed hiring and slowed promotions.

And last but not least 70 more 76 seat jets for DCI.

How much revenue do 70 76 seat jets produce annually? 1 billion?

It wasn't cost neutral. We actually more than funded our PWA.

Not to mention the same pilots stabbing us in the back race to give our survey results to management before the ink is dry.