All valid points if that is what you choose to focus on. As a balance of the entire TA in comparison to what we have now, I am a solid yes vote. We will meet at the ballot box soon.

My argument isn't that we aren't growing. I'm saying that the company beats us down for a few years, then we become disillusioned with promises of growth and an ever-expanding airline, getting new planes, new routes, plus an offer for more money, and we fall for it, again sans work rules.

Wrong, unfortunately. You're not the first airline to require reservists to call upon landing. It has been interpreted as your FDP was extended without you knowing, your call is just to remind the company to notify you. You don't need to know of your additional flying while in flight, and your approval in not required until 117 extension is required.

If you try and claim that your rest the night before was predicated on a short easy day and that you're fatigued, they'll require a fatigue report and ask why you were not fulled rested for a complete FDP period.

Good luck everyone.

Well that may be, but I have an FAA interpretation that says nothing about being able to extend me without notification. Until I see that in writing, without notification prior my FDP ends when I set the brake. Long story short, I'm not accepting a RSV assignment extension.

And you can call in fatigued at any time. As long as it's not predicted. I was fully rested when I started my FDP and good to go for the day. I can't predict whether I'll be fatigued or not at the end of it.

There is a FAA LOI that states that, essentially, you can be reassigned as much as the company would like up to your FDP max. They queried the setting brake and being done scenario but determined if your CBA states that the company has up to an hour to reassign you, it is legal per 117. Read the Marc Anderson-Teamsters LOI from 2014

That's actually the exact letter I was referring to. After reading it again in this context I can see where you're coming from. I don't know that I agree with it, but it does actually appear you can be held on FDP without notification prior to setting the brake. Just one more reason I don't like the TA language making you call in to be released. Now we just walk off the plane and are done.

At least one of the decent spots of this TA says they can't extend you more than 4 hours past the end of your trip pairing. So there's not much, if anything really, they can assign a person. And if they try and you just happen to be too tired at that point to continue, oh well.

That's a great point you just made. People need to read the entire TA and understand how one part may work with another. Another reason to reserve judgement until your road show.

You forgot DH pay.

As an outsider looking in, I'm interested in seeing how this ends up.

Not sure this is the right thread but I can't find another one on my mobile...so: where are new hires going, and how are based awarded out of training?

Anybody tell me if you can hold lax domicile as a new hire? What fleet type in that base?