At the end of the day if AA wants the flow to be attractive they’ll have to keep increasing the flow. Envoy can keep saying no for now but they’ll come a time when daddy Doug won’t give them a choice.

Even if it takes 8 years, flow is still a great way to majors for someone like me.
No black marks, just a different background.

If AA demands that its regional feeders send more of their experienced pilots over they're just going to end up cancelling flights due to staffing. Metering the flow is a delicate process, it needs to be high enough to bring people in the door at the wholly owneds despite less than top pay and QoL, but not so high that they can't staff their regional flying.

Besides, if hiring is really going to pick up as you say that they'll be forced to increase flow, it should be easy for us to get to AA through the front door, right? Let's not pretend AA (or any of the mainlines in the US) doesn't have thousands of applicants at their disposal to tap into. They can be picky. For now.

Contract section 12. E. 1&2 and 4.

Explains it.

Increased hiring by AA =/= increased flow.

Envoy is filling classes to the extent they need and even has a hiring pool right now. As such, they have no reason to ffflllooowwww beyond contractually required metered minimums.

They MAY decide they need to adjust ffflllooowwww up to keep hiring at WO going but that would be against history.

More than likely, people like you (you know who you are) will keep coming here for ffflllooowwww. The WO will not have issues filling classes. AA will hire OTS to make up the difference from what they need from minimum fffllloowww and these OTS hires will come from Endevor, Republic, Skywest, military, corporate guys with conections, etc. Because this allows them to keep their cheap labor WO regionals in tact.

I’ve heard some hiring rumors like AA wants more than ffflllooowwww from WO and WO refuses and AA will hire OTS WO to make up the difference but those kind of rumors holds little water to me when both are owned by AAG. If that was good for AAG, that would happen through ffflllooowwww above minimum metering.

ALSO, ffflllooowwww has made this pilot group lazy. So few truely have their apps out and keep them updated. Attrition is lower here than elsewhere which compounds the issue.

Still, it works for someone like me. People have different backgrounds, and the flow might be a good bet for some of us.

I'm not sure about the "hiring pool". First class date they offered after the CJO was 2 weeks from the offer. So clearly the pool isn't too deep.

Define “Different background”?

15 years in engineering, 10 years as a C-level guy, but with education from abroad that does not translate directly into a 4 year degree.
I can beat Taleo and most other ATS's, but I will always be under the median experience level of my peers, so I would struggle getting hired OTS.

Stay tuned as CA’s leave from the top or middle of the seniority list *outside of flow*. Where those CA’s get hired OTS *outside the flow* is up to AAG. Haha! The notion people within 6months-2 years of flow will not leave Envoy when called by another carrier mainline is laughable.

Stay tuned to movement like a hawk, especially in 2019. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to listening to Q3 results from AAG.