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#4561

havick206 , 09-24-2017 12:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jersdawg

So should we just ignore the warning shot the company tossed at us in the HI6s? P4P's points are all valid. Maybe the union and the company are working on something, but until that announced, folks should prepare accordingly that the vacancies will be assigned per the contract.

I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm saying there's also a lot of other alternatives to the company so there's no need to default to the worse case scenario will happen. Yes prepare for it but no need to be manic about something that could go either way.

#4562

Purpleanga , 09-24-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

First the only basis of information I have is the company hi6 saying to update your displacement bids per 15 G 4. The consensus in this thread is company will force FOs to CA. The ONLY way they can fill the unawarded vacancy is to make FOs to CAs.

Second, I think there was some talk about a program similar to the LTFO but via a LOA. I'm sure they have talked about other options I have no clue about.

Finally, this won't even come close to touching senior FOs. Unless the company goes WAY outside the contract. Per my current understanding of how this should play out.

Again, I have guessed and wondered too much about this. I'm gonna go get a beer and wait for the union to put out something about this.

The company is not going to force FOs to upgrade. That's ridiculous. You upgrade when you're ready.

#4563

Flyboy87 , 09-24-2017 02:43 PM

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So say the company does force junior qualified FOs to upgrade. Will it be 145 to 145 or does anyone think there will be a need to displace 145 FOs to 175 CA?

#4564

bigtime209 , 09-24-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Purpleanga

The company is not going to force FOs to upgrade. That's ridiculous. You upgrade when you're ready.

If they don't get enough CA bids, they most certainly will. Look at the vacancy bid telling pilots to update their displacement preferences in case there are insufficient CA bids. And also look at Section 15.G.4- If there are insufficient bidders for a vacancy, pilots may be assigned to such vacancy in reverse order of seniority among those pilots who meet the minimum qualifications to enter training for said position.

I'm being told ALPA will be sending out a comm soon addressing this fiasco.

#4565

Dmaxvelo18 , 09-24-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

The company can't just move 175 pilots to ORD. They would first have to take CRJ/145 guys junior to the 175 guys first. This would only affect guys in training right now. Not line pilots. Line pilots will TDY to ORD to fill the void. So essentially all the pilots hired in September and maybe a few in August will get reassigned to 175 ORD. If there were 160pilots I'd guess 100 lines give or take 10.

So are you saying that NH FO's who are still in training would be reassigned to the 175 ORD FO, regardless of their current equipment and base assignment?

#4566

bigtime209 , 09-24-2017 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmaxvelo18

So are you saying that NH FO's who are still in training would be reassigned to the 175 ORD FO, regardless of their current equipment and base assignment?

No.

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#4567

Pedro4President , 09-24-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmaxvelo18

So are you saying that NH FO's who are still in training would be reassigned to the 175 ORD FO, regardless of their current equipment and base assignment?

I don't know. If they decide to force pilots into a vacancy per 15 G 4, then that is what I interprete 15 G 4. However, like I said before I am waiting to hear the company and union interpretation of this. I don't see them needing to do this for FOs.

#4568

Pedro4President , 09-24-2017 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Purpleanga

The company is not going to force FOs to upgrade. That's ridiculous. You upgrade when you're ready.

Contractually they can force the upgrade. The company told us to plan on this happening via an HI6 message TWO days ago. I think it is highly probable and problematic if they do this.

This isn't something that's far out in left field. The company specifically said to get your displacement bids in pe 15 G 4.

#4569

HRMBECVG , 09-24-2017 04:30 PM

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What are these do it yourself tricks Envoy has?

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#4570

HardLemonade , 09-24-2017 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Pretty sure that was in reference to FOs and CAs being displaced to ORD and possibly equipment. Not FOs "displacing" to CA.