Skyhawk121

There is no way the company or SAPA would put out a TA that only increases rates by 12% in this environment. I would be willing to put money on that.

TFAYD

whatever they put out will be some form of bonus scheme tied to longevity / hours flown / other.

most importantly, it will sunset after two years or so and not lock them into permanently raising cost

Str8 Cash Homie

I think you might be right, but I hope you’re wrong. Supposedly our own chief pilots are telling FO’s to upgrade ASAP because of the upcoming contract, but not telling Captains to stay…

Honestly if they think a 2 year bonus structure will save this airline from shrinking massively due to Captain attrition they’re in for a hell of reality check. I’m actually hoping they’re that stupid to go that route. The more the regionals shrink, the better for all of us.

The majority of OO Captains are focused on the current terrible QOL. Every major offers a significant improvement in QOL, pay, and retirement. SkyWest offers non of that, and a 2 year bonus will only **** off 80% of the captains currently on the seniority list.

TipTanks

Meanwhile in my inbox….I’m getting more communication from the AA wholly owned’s than I am from the company I work for….

Dream

Expect 12% just so we can turn it down which they already know we will and then they will come out with the next one at 18% saying “see we tried” as we reluctantly give a yes vote. Sad but probably true. We can vote no more than once people!

exPhrogMarine

Unfortunately this is probably the tactic they will use given what happened last time. Vote 'no' then get the same contract sent back only to vote 'yes' because it won't get any better. All the while months go by and we still get the same pay we have had as our buying power plummets.

trip

The lowest paid F/O's in the business, how can anyone justify coming here for half the pay?

Floy

There is a difference in that time is not on their side as it has been in the past. They're bleeding pilots and very senior guys at that. On one hand I'm worried and surprised that they are taking so long with the crisis attrition happening and it makes me think that yet again, we'll be underwhelmed. On the other hand it may play right into the expectations and plans that management has. I mean, what would it take to keep pilots at SkyWest? Industry changing rates and work rules. They essentially have to blow up the regional model and then hope that they can pay for it in the long run by putting other regionals out of business. I think that what they want to do is get some of the top heavy guys that cost more to go out the door and accept some shrinkage since they likely know that they cant stop it anyway.

There are a lot of guys waiting on this TA and watching every day for it to drop. Many with one or multiple offers. If SkyWest comes back with anything less than $180-$190 per hour top out it will (IMHO) indicate that they plan to accept what they see as unstoppable attrition until they can rebalance things. It will also usher in a wave of resignations that will likely be unprecedented with names off the top of the seniority list losing all faith in the company (one of them here). I hope they release it soon. Lots of people want to make a decision and will bail immediately if this TA is not eye wateringly good. There wont be any voting No and waiting for a better offer for most of us with one foot out the door. I hope that management understands this.

Or perhaps they understand it completely and its exactly what they are planning...

goodridecowboy

AA WO have already blown up the regional model. They are putting the other regionals out of business, slowly. This is why (in my opinion) the 135 exists: they know that they can't compete - there isn't a legacy there to back the losses incurred by $90/hr rates - and we will involuntarily shrink. In order to stay alive they will use retirees and 500tt FOs to keep the EAS flying alive but the 5500 deep seniority list OO is a thing of the past.

I'm expecting a middle of the road TA with 1st year pay in the $60 range and top out pay in $150 range. Anything more is probably unsustainable under the contracted rates. There will be a mass exodus, and there will be people that stay anyway. Whoever stays - that's the size of the new SkyWest. They understand they have to adapt or die right now, and I cannot see a world wherein SGU wants to compete side by side with an AA WO right now.

napir

Location, location, location.