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05-03-2020, 05:18 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
It is a displacement, not a furlough.....yet. How would either affect scope or feed outside of bankruptcy?
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05-03-2020, 06:43 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
It is a displacement, not a furlough.....yet. How would either affect scope or feed outside of bankruptcy?
I’ve read SK is big on regionals and would like to get scope relief from the UA pilots so maybe his end game is to push for the UA pilots to allow regionals to fly more in return for less/no furloughs on mainlines end. Just speculation of course.
05-03-2020, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy25
I think (and someone will probably correct me here) that for every X mainline airplanes parked, regionals have to park X number of airplanes of a certain size with the UA scope.
I’ve read SK is big on regionals and would like to get scope relief from the UA pilots so maybe his end game is to push for the UA pilots to allow regionals to fly more in return for less/no furloughs on mainlines end. Just speculation of course.
I’ve read SK is big on regionals and would like to get scope relief from the UA pilots so maybe his end game is to push for the UA pilots to allow regionals to fly more in return for less/no furloughs on mainlines end. Just speculation of course.
Kirby would love lots of things. The United pilot group learned some hard lessons in the past. The only way that the company is going to get concessions is in bankruptcy. Outside of bankruptcy the company is going to furlough who they need regardless of what the pilots give in concessions. When the recalled, they will come back to an intact contract.
05-03-2020, 07:00 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy25
I think (and someone will probably correct me here) that for every X mainline airplanes parked, regionals have to park X number of airplanes of a certain size with the UA scope.
I’ve read SK is big on regionals and would like to get scope relief from the UA pilots so maybe his end game is to push for the UA pilots to allow regionals to fly more in return for less/no furloughs on mainlines end. Just speculation of course.
I’ve read SK is big on regionals and would like to get scope relief from the UA pilots so maybe his end game is to push for the UA pilots to allow regionals to fly more in return for less/no furloughs on mainlines end. Just speculation of course.
Yes, scope (in a basic way) says that for every X number/type of mainline airplanes, there are Y number of regional airplanes allowed (more complex than that, but the basic principle).
For the second part, that doesn't make sense. If UA allowed regionals to fly more, then there would be even less need for mainline pilots. So, having more SK flights would mean even more furloughs at UA. There would be no need for UA pilots anymore in your scenario.
05-04-2020, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Yes, scope (in a basic way) says that for every X number/type of mainline airplanes, there are Y number of regional airplanes allowed (more complex than that, but the basic principle).
For the second part, that doesn't make sense. If UA allowed regionals to fly more, then there would be even less need for mainline pilots. So, having more SK flights would mean even more furloughs at UA. There would be no need for UA pilots anymore in your scenario.
For the second part, that doesn't make sense. If UA allowed regionals to fly more, then there would be even less need for mainline pilots. So, having more SK flights would mean even more furloughs at UA. There would be no need for UA pilots anymore in your scenario.
05-04-2020, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy25
The way a mainline guy explained it to me this evening when it came up again was SK would try to get the regionals to do more of their current flying given it is significantly cheaper than it costs UA to do the same and in return for the cash savings, reduce pilot furlough numbers at UA - like I say I don’t think it’s a good thing if it were to happen for the future of any pilot in our industry and the economics are beyond my tiny pilot brains comprehension, just a rough translation of how it was told to me.
05-04-2020, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
50 seaters can’t exceed 90% of mainline single aisle aircraft. 76 seaters are limited to a percentage of mainline single aisle block hours. Maxed out 76 seaters are limited to 68% max of mainline single aisle block hours. The regionals can keep the airplanes, but they can’t fly them past 68% of mainline single aisle block.
Kirby would love lots of things. The United pilot group learned some hard lessons in the past. The only way that the company is going to get concessions is in bankruptcy. Outside of bankruptcy the company is going to furlough who they need regardless of what the pilots give in concessions. When the recalled, they will come back to an intact contract.
Kirby would love lots of things. The United pilot group learned some hard lessons in the past. The only way that the company is going to get concessions is in bankruptcy. Outside of bankruptcy the company is going to furlough who they need regardless of what the pilots give in concessions. When the recalled, they will come back to an intact contract.
05-04-2020, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Where do the 51-75 seaters fit? Specifically 70 seaters. In the 90 percent? Is that a seat or frame ratio?
The 76/70 seat aircraft are all subject to a percentage of mainline single aisle block hours (68% since scope is maxed out). If the company furloughs anyone with a hire date prior to January 23, 2016 the 76 seaters have to be reduced to 70. They stay that way until everyone hired prior to that date are recalled. The same date applies for regionals flying 76/70 seaters having to hire United pilots, however that provision is moot when they aren’t hiring.
05-04-2020, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
1-C-1-a-(2)-(c). Up to a total of 255 76-seat aircraft plus 70-seat aircraft (“76/70-seat aircraft”), of which up to 130 may be 76-seat aircraft, and then, on or after January 1, 2016, up to 153 76-seat aircraft.
The 76/70 seat aircraft are all subject to a percentage of mainline single aisle block hours (68% since scope is maxed out). If the company furloughs anyone with a hire date prior to January 23, 2016 the 76 seaters have to be reduced to 70. They stay that way until everyone hired prior to that date are recalled. The same date applies for regionals flying 76/70 seaters having to hire United pilots, however that provision is moot when they aren’t hiring.
The 76/70 seat aircraft are all subject to a percentage of mainline single aisle block hours (68% since scope is maxed out). If the company furloughs anyone with a hire date prior to January 23, 2016 the 76 seaters have to be reduced to 70. They stay that way until everyone hired prior to that date are recalled. The same date applies for regionals flying 76/70 seaters having to hire United pilots, however that provision is moot when they aren’t hiring.
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