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Old 04-27-2015 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingberk
Not to completely change the subject, but my Google-foo is seriously failing me today. I am in sim training and the taxiing in the sim makes me really nauseated. Dramamine is illegal while flying; does that mean it is illegal in a sim? Trying to find a way to make it through LOE without barfing on my examiner. Thanks!
Try looking down or close your eyes.
Old 04-27-2015 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
It's a great place for year 1. With the signing bonuses in our offer, you can make more than most of our FO's that have been here 5+ years.
They aren't offering the bonus yet. Nor or they offering the retention bonus yet. Just a bonus for current typed CRJ applicants.

Don't let those dangling carrots fool you into voting yes for this.

One pay package a few years ago had 737 rates in it for us...
Old 04-27-2015 | 01:51 PM
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That works perfectly, actually. The problem is, while they have been letting me get away with that through most of sim training, I'm told that I will need to be looking up and around during taxi for the LOE. To show that I'm not going to be stupid in real life by looking down during taxi around, say, ORD.
Old 04-27-2015 | 01:52 PM
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A few consultants on our team did stints at SkyWest. Really enjoyed all the people and it was a good place to be for a regional. I still enjoy stopping into some crew lounges when I can and catching up with old friends.

Hope all is well with SkyWest. We've enjoyed helping many of you prep for your upcoming interviews for greener pastures.

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Old 04-27-2015 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah
They aren't offering the bonus yet. Nor or they offering the retention bonus yet. Just a bonus for current typed CRJ applicants.

Don't let those dangling carrots fool you into voting yes for this.

One pay package a few years ago had 737 rates in it for us...
Point taken. I am just saying for all those people that say if we don't get new hires, we won't be able to grow. I would say if you really want SkyWest, you will have to wait to see if those bonus come through. I really hope we push the company and either make them do it without our vote (and show us how they really feel about our "contract") or make them give something to the rest of the group.

How ****ed would you be if you took the job with SW, then after you get out of training or have been here for a couple months, they offer a signing bonus for 10K?? If you think they would offer it retroactively, I'll give you examples of how they didn't offer it for the 7.5K type rating or our current pay package. It won't happen.

It may be all my interactions with CS that have me looking for someone stealing my wallet while shaking my hand, but I don't trust anything I hear from SGU anymore. The retention bonus is just a carrot. Does anyone think they would want to offer a retention bonus and SAPA would stop them? Why is it even in the pay package other than to plant the seed?? And why all of a sudden is TG willing to hear about CS abuse? They want to work together now?? Sorry, you have made your bed with years of abuse and not caring about me. So unless you are offering double time, I won't be willing to "help you out" If I need extra flying, I pick up crew posted trips and help a fellow pilot out.

P.S. Vote no

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Old 04-27-2015 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
Point taken. I am just saying for all those people that say if we don't get new hires, we won't be able to grow. I would say if you really want SkyWest, you will have to wait to see if those bonus come through. I really hope we push the company and either make them do it without our vote (and show us how they really feel about our "contract") or make them give something to the rest of the group.

How ****ed would you be if you took the job with SW, then after you get out of training or have been here for a couple months, they offer a signing bonus for 10K?? If you think they would offer it retroactively, I'll give you examples of how they didn't offer it for the 7.5K type rating or our current pay package. It won't happen.

It may be all my interactions with CS that have me looking for someone stealing my wallet while shaking my hand, but I don't trust anything I hear from SGU anymore. The retention bonus is just a carrot. Does anyone think they would want to offer a retention bonus and SAPA would stop them? Why is it even in the pay package other than to plant the seed?? And why all of a sudden is TG willing to hear about CS abuse? They want to work together now?? Sorry, you have made your bed with years of abuse and not caring about me. So unless you are offering double time, I won't be willing to "help you out" If I need extra flying, I pick up crew posted trips and help a fellow pilot out.

P.S. Vote no
Grow??? Maybe you mean shrink the least. What regional is going to be able to grow in this environment with the parking of 50 seat lift and the lack of pilot canadates?
Old 04-27-2015 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
If Skywest were to unionize I've no doubt the pilot contract negotiated would be an industry leading contract. We would be the best compensated regional in the industry and then be undercut by our regional brothers on every RFP that came out. So, while the bragging rights of having a great contract, which you currently have, would be a nice talking point, having flying awarded to the company you're working for is the ultimate goal. We are still getting flying awarded and ideally the best way to continue have that happen is by providing an excellent product at or slightly above the median price point. Currently, that is what Skywest Airlines does. Yes we have issues with our pilot contract. Yes the negotiating process is frustrating and slow. But for the most part the conditions here are good and at this point in time I think the THREAT of a union outweighs the benefits of a union. That WILL change just not sure when.
There is nothing that forces a unionized pilot group to go on strike in order to try to get the industry leading contract. Your pay rates may be ok but your work rules need huge improvements. Nothing stops a unionized pilot group from focusing on certain things in their contract negotiations, like work rules. Every time I hear and read these things against skywest not going union, it always sounds and feels like a cop out and poor excuse to me. Every issue and concern that I've heard can be addressed or does not apply. Anyway, I think that the concessionary deals are over now. Ever since PDT voted theirs in, all other regionals have INCREASED their pilot costs with bonuses or improvements.

There is an illusion going on and its being perpetrated by management. I've worked at a non-union carrier. There is a difference between the two. Sometimes its just a matter of not know what you don't know. Anyway, being a unionized pilot group is so much more than just having a contract. And thats part of what people don't know.

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Back your statement up with facts. How many regionals does Skywest undercut in cost?

How many regionals who are unionized are cheaper? Here some facts for you since you seem unable to come up with any:

Crew cost as percentage of hourly (non-fuel) operating cost that companies that have reported.
ERJ140/145
Republic - 23.2%
ExpressJet - 43.5%
Eage - 44.1%

CRJ200
PSA - 22.5%
Mesa - 26.1%
AirWis - 27.3%
Skywest - 28.7%
Pinnacle - 33.8%
ExpressJet - 35.1%

CRJ700
PSA - 22.2%
GoJet - 24.9%
Mesa - 27.5%
Skywest - 27.8%
ExpressJet - 36.9%
Eagle - 44.0%

E170
Republic - 24.2%
Compass - 42.2%

CRJ900
Mesa - 29.5%
Skywest - 33.2%
ExpressJet - 35.7%
Pinnacle - 38.6%


Again, you're equating guys crossing a picket line with Skywest pilots. That's an ignorant comparison.

Why do labor groups unionize?
Is this Form 41 data? This data is not complete and not comparable in the FFD carriers. If its not, I'd be curious to see the data and how it was compiled.

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Old 04-27-2015 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
Point taken. I am just saying for all those people that say if we don't get new hires, we won't be able to grow. I would say if you really want SkyWest, you will have to wait to see if those bonus come through. I really hope we push the company and either make them do it without our vote (and show us how they really feel about our "contract") or make them give something to the rest of the group.

How ****ed would you be if you took the job with SW, then after you get out of training or have been here for a couple months, they offer a signing bonus for 10K?? If you think they would offer it retroactively, I'll give you examples of how they didn't offer it for the 7.5K type rating or our current pay package. It won't happen.

It may be all my interactions with CS that have me looking for someone stealing my wallet while shaking my hand, but I don't trust anything I hear from SGU anymore. The retention bonus is just a carrot. Does anyone think they would want to offer a retention bonus and SAPA would stop them? Why is it even in the pay package other than to plant the seed?? And why all of a sudden is TG willing to hear about CS abuse? They want to work together now?? Sorry, you have made your bed with years of abuse and not caring about me. So unless you are offering double time, I won't be willing to "help you out" If I need extra flying, I pick up crew posted trips and help a fellow pilot out.

P.S. Vote no
The "future" bonus money is in there because you lose leverage if management ever goes through with it. It probably is a carrot as well but having in there when they probably don't need it right away only gives away leverage. If that language wasn't in the pay package and it passed, later on if they wanted to give out bonuses, they would have less leverage because you would know they feel they need it.

Anyway, didnt they say one of the other times you guys were voting on a a pay package that they will "looking" into CS abuse? And shouldn't you only be picking up from posted pairings anyway?
Old 04-27-2015 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 24/48







a "me, me, me" unionized group (you'd fit in well there) that signed an almost identical deal. It was a crap thing to do and never should've happened.





Good luck with your career.


Finally, we agree on something. It never should've happened, but it has happened over and over again. What you are suggesting is the Skywest pilots put themselves in that situation. Why? How does that help the industry? The union does not fit at the regional level.

Thanks. I'm sure I'll do fine. Done.
Old 04-27-2015 | 07:27 PM
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Retention bonus sounds like a paradox to me. If you want and vote for a retention bonus then it's apparent you want to stay here a long time. If that is the case, then why should the company reward you for something you were already going to do?

Also, the math equates to $70M annually if they actually went through with it. And, IMO, I don't see the company spending that kind of cash.
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