They caved in back in 2010.



The only reason why xjt loses money is because of the poor CPAs that inc negotiated. The same synergy savings JA touted back in 2010 would be more significant with just one airline instead of two. But the wage suppression (whipsaw) must be so tremendous that it outweighs those savings. Only you guys and management seem to be ok with that though.

And has it occurred to you that maybe some xjt pilots are they way they are is precisely because of the division and our CEO pitting us against each other? It wouldn't be your flying or our flying. It would be our flying and it would be all of us pulling in the same direction instead of being whipsawed against each other. Our pilot group wasn't "toxic" before our CEO implemented his whipsaw business model upon us.

 

I don't think it looks good for SGU that just last week we had pilots getting ACARS messages for flying too fast. Lots of good things would come from getting out on the front lines and seeing the impact of decisions that are made. It may require working more than Monday thru Thursday. Either that or listen to the folks that are on the front lines. Or we can just keep doing it the way we have always done it...

 

There are also ACARS messages for going too slow.

 

Agreed. I am not saying that the pilots have not made mistakes. And I would never say that it wouldn't happen to me. But there is some reason that it has happened more here. And I know the SLC CMO has busted our balls over trivial things in the past, but this isn't just because "they don't like us" Pilots have been asking for the "SELCAL" to be fixed for a long time, or have some way of reducing the volume.
IMO this is just one more example of where the relationship between SGU and pilots has deteriorated. I don't care what changes they make. Others get worked up but I'll fly their plane the way the want it flown. But I also won't put myself or passengers in danger by flying slow. I'll make up the time on the ground if needed. Maybe this will be the catalyst that gets rid of historical credit??

I feel this is what SAPA is supposed to do for us, and I think they do a good job. CH (and NL when he was in SAPA) is always explaining why things are done the way there are. And they do it in a way where they don't come off as selling the SGU agenda. But you can't expect someone that is already working overtime at straight pay to take one of their few days off and hop on a flight to SGU. If SAPA is the voice of the pilot and that voice is ignored, what would make a single pilot feel like his one opinion would matter?

You would probably get way more people stopping in if headquarters were in SLC or another major hub. I feel that most of the disconnect comes from being isolated from everyone. Serious question. What could I do as a line pilot to better understand what happens in SGU? I would love to have someone from CS come fly a 4 day just to understand how plane swaps, maintenance delays and hotel shuttles make a work day. And it doesn't even have to be the worst 4 day out there. Just a MSP 17 hour 4 day where you would sit in SEA or SFO for 4 hours on a turn. In return, I would go down to SGU to work when schedules are release, or the 24th (back when people had hope they could drop or trade a trip) Or during some bad storms back east when they are trying to juggle things around. I think there would be real value in experiencing the other side of the coin.

 

You guys stall like 4 planes a month at altitude.. Thats why all this is happening...

 

I think we are misunderstanding each other. I'm not here to sling mud.

 

I didn't take it that way. Some of the pilots want to blame it all on the company with credit vs. block and ECON. Some of the pilots want to just blame it on other pilots being lazy and not doing their job. I think there are several contributing factors on both sides and I would never say "that won't happen to me!!" As critical as I am sometimes of the company, I don't think this is indicative of who we are as an organization or pilot group. There are several who want to cheer about this because they feel we need to be knocked off our high horse. Me personally I will just look at what I can do to mitigate the threat for myself and hope that we can work together to get this behind us. Not looking forward to my next couple trips though....

 

Good point. I wonder how what the ratio of fast/slow acars messages were in the two days the program was up and running. I have a hunch. Bet the FAA does too.

 

Hey guys,

Can anybody go over the pros and cons to choosing one of these two airframes and what their experience may have been like so far as a new hire on either.

Thanks.

 

And your proof is coming from who or where? Care to disclose or is this just hearsay. I'll wait for your answer!