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Old 08-16-2014 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrJay
Just flew into Yuma today and read on the front page of the Yuma Sun that 'united' is no longer flying to Yuma starting Dec. Any other known bro routes getting shut down?
CIC - Dec 2nd
Old 08-16-2014 | 05:33 PM
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Old 08-16-2014 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrJay
Just flew into Yuma today and read on the front page of the Yuma Sun that 'united' is no longer flying to Yuma starting Dec. Any other known bro routes getting shut down?
CIC is done in December. SMF-ACV is getting cut. The whole PDX base closes in September. I've seen SFO-SBA and LAX-SBA united flights in RJ bid packages the last 2 months too. Those flights were all Brasilia the whole time I flew the Bro. It seems bad all around for that plane.
Old 08-17-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrJay
Just flew into Yuma today and read on the front page of the Yuma Sun that 'united' is no longer flying to Yuma starting Dec. Any other known bro routes getting shut down?
Originally Posted by rcfd13
CIC is done in December. SMF-ACV is getting cut. The whole PDX base closes in September. I've seen SFO-SBA and LAX-SBA united flights in RJ bid packages the last 2 months too. Those flights were all Brasilia the whole time I flew the Bro. It seems bad all around for that plane.
Word is that most, if not all, EMBs will be retired by the end of 2015. It's becoming too expensive to replace the prop blades, and the only company that manufactures them is lucky to churn one out in less then two weeks. I'm sure a good portion of that flying will transition to pro-rate on the CRJ2.
Old 08-17-2014 | 08:25 AM
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Word is that most, if not all, EMBs will be retired by the end of 2015. It's becoming too expensive to replace the prop blades, and the only company that manufactures them is lucky to churn one out in less then two weeks. I'm sure a good portion of that flying will transition to pro-rate on the CRJ2.
Real reason, pilot efficiency. UAL pulled the plug on the EMB, 28 people vs 50, to even allude to anything remotely resembling anything like a pilot shortage would cede the power to the pilots. Make no mistake, the industry is getting squiggly and can't figure out how to fix it. Some cities that will not support higher yield fares will be relegated to Greyhound codeshares. Follow the money.
Old 08-17-2014 | 08:43 AM
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Real reason, pilot efficiency. UAL pulled the plug on the EMB, 28 people vs 50, to even allude to anything remotely resembling anything like a pilot shortage would cede the power to the pilots. Make no mistake, the industry is getting squiggly and can't figure out how to fix it. Some cities that will not support higher yield fares will be relegated to Greyhound codeshares. Follow the money.
Uh no, the prop blades and hub replacement costs are astronomical. Has nothing to do with pilot efficiency. The margins on the EMB are higher than the 200.
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Man, how many of us would change our vote on the last pay package knowing that the pay raise for the Bro was only going to be for 18 months? Everyone was so convinced the Bro wasn't going anywhere, that we allowed ourselves to pay money out to 1st and 2nd year guys on a plane that was on its way out the door. I felt that was the biggest indication that the plane was on it's way out. Management played on us knowing that the Bro pilots had been hosed for years, and our hard rate for the 175.
Also, any bets that trip stacking that went away with 117 will be added back as a feature for the next pay package? Or more promises to work on reserve improvements.
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Uh no, the prop blades and hub replacement costs are astronomical. Has nothing to do with pilot efficiency. The margins on the EMB are higher than the 200.
Like I said "follow the money" These decisions are made behind closed boardroom doors, so unless you are a member of the board(highly doubtful), it's algebra. SKYW has started to load its diaper and they are getting diaper rash. What halfway intelligent pilot would come to a company that has a 7+ year upgrade, when they can go to GoJhets or Meas and upgrade in a much shorter time, regionals, every single one is just a whistle stop on almost every pilots career. Because some pilots got jammed up by 9/11 and got comfortable doesn't mean its the best career choice. The difference between GoJhets and a Skywest tour could be more than $1,000,000 for a young guy. So stop swilling the Kool-Aid and do the math(algebra).
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Like I said "follow the money" These decisions are made behind closed boardroom doors, so unless you are a member of the board(highly doubtful), it's algebra. SKYW has started to load its diaper and they are getting diaper rash. What halfway intelligent pilot would come to a company that has a 7+ year upgrade, when they can go to GoJhets or Meas and upgrade in a much shorter time, regionals, every single one is just a whistle stop on almost every pilots career. Because some pilots got jammed up by 9/11 and got comfortable doesn't mean its the best career choice. The difference between GoJhets and a Skywest tour could be more than $1,000,000 for a young guy. So stop swilling the Kool-Aid and do the math(algebra).
Come on..you know there's no talking sense to NVUS. Ask him to post a map of where SkyWest flies and he can do that pretty well.
You are absolutely correct in this post. It's spot on.
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Man, how many of us would change our vote on the last pay package knowing that the pay raise for the Bro was only going to be for 18 months? Everyone was so convinced the Bro wasn't going anywhere, that we allowed ourselves to pay money out to 1st and 2nd year guys on a plane that was on its way out the door. I felt that was the biggest indication that the plane was on it's way out. Management played on us knowing that the Bro pilots had been hosed for years, and our hard rate for the 175.
Also, any bets that trip stacking that went away with 117 will be added back as a feature for the next pay package? Or more promises to work on reserve improvements.
Lesson,
SKYW has all the contracts, plans and cards. You have nothing to make an informed decision except intuition and the magic 8 ball, so when SAPA(SKYW Inc AD agency) tells you that this is the best you are gonna get, that's the word from the company. So many guys refuse to listen to those who have gone there before, and as a consequence make the same exact mistakes, lesson. If the company is offering anything its because they aren't planning on having to pay it. Pilots are paying checkers when the company is playing 3D chess. Want better work rules? Leave......
Been there for more than a decade, it has been a slow decay(frog in pot of boiling water). Am planning to leave.
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