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Old 08-17-2014 | 10:11 AM
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Lesson,
SKYW has all the contracts, plans and cards. You have nothing to make an informed decision except intuition and the magic 8 ball, so when SAPA(SKYW Inc AD agency) tells you that this is the best you are gonna get, that's the word from the company. So many guys refuse to listen to those who have gone there before, and as a consequence make the same exact mistakes, lesson. If the company is offering anything its because they aren't planning on having to pay it. Pilots are paying checkers when the company is playing 3D chess. Want better work rules? Leave......
Been there for more than a decade, it has been a slow decay(frog in pot of boiling water). Am planning to leave.
I have honestly thought for the past year that SkyWest would benefit by combining pilot lists. My feeling is KB keeps disregarding policy and almost daring the pilots to vote in a union. Or maybe they realize that is 70% would vote in a pay freeze, we probably won't vote in a union and they can do whatever they want to us. They target small groups at a time, but the problem is that most of us have a long memory. 5 years of reserve and I still won't answer CS calls and have no desire to help out on my days off. There is some deep emotional scaring from the abuse of TE's minions and they have no desire to help change any of that.

Continue to fight us and not work together to find solutions. Continue to think that the name SkyWest will bring pilots in the door. I agree they have been around for 40 years and done more stuff right than other regionals, but the game is about to change and SkyWest is living on past accomplishments.
Old 08-17-2014 | 10:46 AM
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I have honestly thought for the past year that SkyWest would benefit by combining pilot lists. My feeling is KB keeps disregarding policy and almost daring the pilots to vote in a union. Or maybe they realize that is 70% would vote in a pay freeze, we probably won't vote in a union and they can do whatever they want to us. They target small groups at a time, but the problem is that most of us have a long memory. 5 years of reserve and I still won't answer CS calls and have no desire to help out on my days off. There is some deep emotional scaring from the abuse of TE's minions and they have no desire to help change any of that.

Continue to fight us and not work together to find solutions. Continue to think that the name SkyWest will bring pilots in the door. I agree they have been around for 40 years and done more stuff right than other regionals, but the game is about to change and SkyWest is living on past accomplishments.
SKYW,
SGU is so far out off touch, I have decided that the disconnect between their version of reality and what is actually going on is in their DNA, and as such will be impossible to change. First we don't work together, we work for them. Example is your favorite dept, CS, the angst that they have dealt the flight crewmembers is legendary, you know that first hand. Understanding who and what you work for is imperative if you don't want to go crazy. This is a job, nothing more or nothing less, you fly a plane for 4:25 minutes you get paid for 4:25 at your payrate. Having some misplaced loyalty to a corporate entity is foolish and counterproductive, they want you to to work on your day off do it for the money, because the love is lost when you agree and hang up the phone. Don't believe me? Accept an assignment, then call back and say you forgot your moms birthday party was on that day...
They are still trying to figure out why there aren't people still hammering on the door to work here. I will offer the same advice to you and anyone else, get what you need, then decide what your next goal might be. If its outside SKYW, so be it. If one decides that SKYW is their destination, they need to open their eyes, accept it for what it is and deal with it.
The single pilot list is simple, the lists are separate because they have a plan, who knows what it is, but rest assured that plan was in place when Jerry met with DAL leadership prior to the purchase. Your and my fate was decided long before we even knew about it, rest assured SKYW, UAL, DAL, AA and all the rest have an inkling as to where this show is headed, the pilots are just along for the ride.
The institutional delusions are strong and quite often are the undoing of an entity, if nothing else it will be interesting...
Old 08-17-2014 | 10:53 AM
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I agree they have been around for 40 years and done more stuff right than other regionals, but the game is about to change and SkyWest is living on past accomplishments.
First place at the Special Olympics is......well you know.....
First Place at the Special Olympics.
Old 08-17-2014 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
SKYW,
SGU is so far out off touch, I have decided that the disconnect between their version of reality and what is actually going on is in their DNA, and as such will be impossible to change...
Been lurking for a long time, but since I am new I won't call out anyone in particular. But it reminds me of a certain someone who came on here to defend the hidden open time and 50% reserve coverage in SFO. Never mind how seniority is all we have left. Let's just save some money by not following policy, or ignore what was previously agreed to.

So many simple things we could work together on, but we always have to be reminded who is in control. At least I have seen enough to realize a leadership change won't mean anything. Got my hopes up and dashed after the last Director of FO change. Thought he would be able to open some eyes and make changes, but as you said SGU is so out of touch they have no idea how a couple simple things would make so much change. How long have we been talking reserve rewrite? Virtual domiciles?
Keep telling me how expensive flight crews are while I sit around for 4 hours in one of our bases. Or when I have another overnight in one of our domiciles. I'll keep bidding 38 hour overnights while you scramble to find a crew or find some idiot that is new enough to answer their phone and help out. Because maybe if I help them out, when I need a favor they will return it... Yeah, been there and done that.
Old 08-17-2014 | 12:08 PM
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Pure comedy with the big bro FO raise in exchange for a seat lock increase. Company made out like a bandit on that deal.
Old 08-17-2014 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Real reason, pilot efficiency. UAL pulled the plug on the EMB, 28 people vs 50, to even allude to anything remotely resembling anything like a pilot shortage would cede the power to the pilots. Make no mistake, the industry is getting squiggly and can't figure out how to fix it. Some cities that will not support higher yield fares will be relegated to Greyhound codeshares. Follow the money.

Did 117 do away with the 135 flight time limitations and rest rules exemption?
Old 08-17-2014 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
Been lurking for a long time, but since I am new I won't call out anyone in particular. But it reminds me of a certain someone who came on here to defend the hidden open time and 50% reserve coverage in SFO. Never mind how seniority is all we have left. Let's just save some money by not following policy, or ignore what was previously agreed to.

So many simple things we could work together on, but we always have to be reminded who is in control. At least I have seen enough to realize a leadership change won't mean anything. Got my hopes up and dashed after the last Director of FO change. Thought he would be able to open some eyes and make changes, but as you said SGU is so out of touch they have no idea how a couple simple things would make so much change. How long have we been talking reserve rewrite? Virtual domiciles?
Keep telling me how expensive flight crews are while I sit around for 4 hours in one of our bases. Or when I have another overnight in one of our domiciles. I'll keep bidding 38 hour overnights while you scramble to find a crew or find some idiot that is new enough to answer their phone and help out. Because maybe if I help them out, when I need a favor they will return it... Yeah, been there and done that.
Preaching to the choir,
Do whats best for your family and friends. Sorry to say if and when you leave, you will not be missed as an individual, pilot yes, person no. When you come to the realization that this is just a job and it is what it is, life becomes a bit easier. Phone just rang, let it go to VM, SS looking for a bail out from me, decided day drinking sounded like more fun than pushing one of their a$$ scented sewer tubes around the sky. PayBack.....
Old 08-17-2014 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Did 117 do away with the 135 flight time limitations and rest rules exemption?
No, it went away some time before 117.
Old 08-18-2014 | 10:48 AM
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Just wanted to add a positive note to a thread that's slowly going bitter.. Skywest is a good regional to work for. People have been complaining about crew scheduling, but not many FOs are on reserve these days (summer schedule). The guys complaining are probably recalling experiences of times past. For example, guys hired prior to the recession may have been stuck on reserve for years due to no hiring. New hires today will have a totally different experience.
Old 08-18-2014 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by yesyou
Just wanted to add a positive note to a thread that's slowly going bitter.. Skywest is a good regional to work for. People have been complaining about crew scheduling, but not many FOs are on reserve these days (summer schedule). The guys complaining are probably recalling experiences of times past. For example, guys hired prior to the recession may have been stuck on reserve for years due to no hiring. New hires today will have a totally different experience.
Past experience is tomorrows next experience. With the EMB120s leaving and ERJs coming on line, everything is a big question mark. Ask the guys in SFO who were converted to one huge reserve list how that worked for them.
The positive note in this thread is, majors are hiring and this fall will be the watershed beginning of a new era for pilots.
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