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Old 06-21-2015 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Wow. FL280. Hahahahahahaha
Unbelievable..............are they serious?
Old 06-21-2015 | 09:43 PM
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Hopefully captains have the ballz to cancel when the WX gets bad.
Old 06-22-2015 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Hopefully captains have the ballz to cancel when the WX gets bad.
Haha aw facebiter restricted to 280?
Old 06-22-2015 | 05:41 AM
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We've had 15 low speed events this year. I'm not surprised.


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Old 06-22-2015 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
We've had 15 low speed events this year.

How in the absolute shizz, after Colgan 3407, are pilots STILL not minding the store when it comes to airspeed?!?
Old 06-22-2015 | 06:04 AM
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How in the absolute shizz, after Colgan 3407, are pilots STILL not minding the store when it comes to airspeed?!?
I have no idea. Anybody that cruises less than .70 in a 200, or less than .74 in a 7/900 is an idiot. To totally checkout and not notice a decaying speed event is pure incompetence.
Old 06-22-2015 | 06:09 AM
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Eh, it can happen to anyone, I don't know how much inattention it takes but I'm guilty of inattention. But a couple speed events ago we as a pilot group should have thrown out ECON.
Old 06-22-2015 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
How in the absolute shizz, after Colgan 3407, are pilots STILL not minding the store when it comes to airspeed?!?
There's more to it than that.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot
I have no idea. Anybody that cruises less than .70 in a 200, or less than .74 in a 7/900 is an idiot. To totally checkout and not notice a decaying speed event is pure incompetence.
Those are reasonable numbers, and check with my own experience.

Company assigned cruise speeds (ECON) can be MUCH lower than what many experienced CRJ pilots would consider prudent. Folks who comply with ECON speeds blindly have little to no margin at the bottom and would therefore need to maintain a MUCH higher level of attentiveness than is the norm for jet aircraft in cruise flight. Like 100% attentiveness.
Old 06-22-2015 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Eh, it can happen to anyone, I don't know how much inattention it takes but I'm guilty of inattention. But a couple speed events ago we as a pilot group should have thrown out ECON.
No, I quite strongly disagree that it can happen to anyone. It hasn't and won't happen to me, as I'm a professional pilot that pays attention. I also don't do stupid crap like fly slow to increase block (which is really pointless by the time you're in the air anyway).
Old 06-22-2015 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's more to it than that.



Those are reasonable numbers, and check with my own experience.

Company assigned cruise speeds (ECON) can be MUCH lower than what many experienced CRJ pilots would consider prudent. Folks who comply with ECON speeds blindly have little to no margin at the bottom and would therefore need to maintain a MUCH higher level of attentiveness than is the norm for jet aircraft in cruise flight. Like 100% attentiveness.
Well said. We have access to lots of information to safely accomplish high altitude flight, including predicting performance. At cruise I periodically check ISA deviation, as well as use the excellent Delta high alt met charts that have a wealth of data that contribute to predicted performance.

The vast majority of our pilots do the same... But as you said, the ECON speeds can throw off some who clearly don't know their craft very well. Honestly, I find this whole thing extremely embarrassing for our pilot group.
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