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07-27-2015, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Like him or not, Nevets hits the nail on the head for the coattails argument on all the ALPA programs we benefit from. Has never sat well with me in that regard. Once I finally join an ALPA carrier I'll not only volunteer my time again but will give some extra cheddar perhaps to the PAC or other programs to get some of that karma back.
Well, like ALPA or not, (and I don't) we need them. I would vote them in the first second I had the chance.
SkyWest has 3 pilots that are facing a 709 ride with the FAA over actions that should be protected under the ASAP process. The company is giving them lip service legal protection as it shifts the focus away from the short comings of management and directly on the pilots.
Can anyone envision a Delta Captain having to take a re certification check ride from the FAA because he missed some steps in a QRH?
I would think ALPA would take this very seriously!
We have no protection and no voice.
BTW the 3 pilots are basically screwed for the rest of their careers as their pilot record will show a revocation of certificate and (hopefully) a reissuance.
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07-27-2015, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
Well, like ALPA or not, (and I don't) we need them. I would vote them in the first second I had the chance.
SkyWest has 3 pilots that are facing a 709 ride with the FAA over actions that should be protected under the ASAP process. The company is giving them lip service legal protection as it shifts the focus away from the short comings of management and directly on the pilots.
Can anyone envision a Delta Captain having to take a re certification check ride from the FAA because he missed some steps in a QRH?
I would think ALPA would take this very seriously!
We have no protection and no voice.
BTW the 3 pilots are basically screwed for the rest of their careers as their pilot record will show a revocation of certificate and (hopefully) a reissuance.
Welcome to your "First Class" career!
SkyWest has 3 pilots that are facing a 709 ride with the FAA over actions that should be protected under the ASAP process. The company is giving them lip service legal protection as it shifts the focus away from the short comings of management and directly on the pilots.
Can anyone envision a Delta Captain having to take a re certification check ride from the FAA because he missed some steps in a QRH?
I would think ALPA would take this very seriously!
We have no protection and no voice.
BTW the 3 pilots are basically screwed for the rest of their careers as their pilot record will show a revocation of certificate and (hopefully) a reissuance.
Welcome to your "First Class" career!
07-27-2015, 07:18 AM
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07-27-2015, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Like him or not, Nevets hits the nail on the head for the coattails argument on all the ALPA programs we benefit from. Has never sat well with me in that regard. Once I finally join an ALPA carrier I'll not only volunteer my time again but will give some extra cheddar perhaps to the PAC or other programs to get some of that karma back.
07-27-2015, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
Well, like ALPA or not, (and I don't) we need them. I would vote them in the first second I had the chance.
SkyWest has 3 pilots that are facing a 709 ride with the FAA over actions that should be protected under the ASAP process. The company is giving them lip service legal protection as it shifts the focus away from the short comings of management and directly on the pilots.
Can anyone envision a Delta Captain having to take a re certification check ride from the FAA because he missed some steps in a QRH?
I would think ALPA would take this very seriously!
We have no protection and no voice.
BTW the 3 pilots are basically screwed for the rest of their careers as their pilot record will show a revocation of certificate and (hopefully) a reissuance.
Welcome to your "First Class" career!
SkyWest has 3 pilots that are facing a 709 ride with the FAA over actions that should be protected under the ASAP process. The company is giving them lip service legal protection as it shifts the focus away from the short comings of management and directly on the pilots.
Can anyone envision a Delta Captain having to take a re certification check ride from the FAA because he missed some steps in a QRH?
I would think ALPA would take this very seriously!
We have no protection and no voice.
BTW the 3 pilots are basically screwed for the rest of their careers as their pilot record will show a revocation of certificate and (hopefully) a reissuance.
Welcome to your "First Class" career!
I don't know if it has happened recently (last 10 years) but I've never heard of an airline pilot having to take a 709 ride. ALPA has always suggested that anytime you file an ASAP, you concurrently file an ASRS as well. At xjt, all we do is check off a box on the last screen before submitting and they automatically file your report with NASA.
07-27-2015, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I don't know if it has happened recently (last 10 years) but I've never heard of an airline pilot having to take a 709 ride. ALPA has always suggested that anytime you file an ASAP, you concurrently file an ASRS as well. At xjt, all we do is check off a box on the last screen before submitting and they automatically file your report with NASA.
07-27-2015, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
We just tick a box to file a NASA, guessing they didn't file a ASAP?
07-27-2015, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
We just tick a box to file a NASA, guessing they didn't file a ASAP?
I don't know. When we submit an ASAP, it also gives us the choice of it simultaneously submitting an ASRS by checking a box. Sounds like to me that they were excluded from the ASAP program by management or the FAA.
07-27-2015, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I don't know. When we submit an ASAP, it also gives us the choice of it simultaneously submitting an ASRS by checking a box. Sounds like to me that they were excluded from the ASAP program by management or the FAA.
I don't think they filed an ASAP.
07-27-2015, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
It can only be excluded if it is a non-sole source event. Missing a step in the QRH would be a sole source report since the CVR cannot be used for punitive purposes.
I don't think they filed an ASAP.
I don't think they filed an ASAP.
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