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Do they at least restore your day off that they took?
Pay is a problem at Skywest, its a problem at every regional, regardless if Skywest pays more than others, its a big problem.
So, if its the company comes to the pilots with an offer when they want, what is stopping the pilots from coming to the company when they want? There's no CBA, so there's no set time table. Pilots go to the company and say WE want this. You don't even have to use the "U" word, they will figure that out by virtue of the pilots coming to them often enough. What are they going to do, make you work at a regional?
So, if its the company comes to the pilots with an offer when they want, what is stopping the pilots from coming to the company when they want? There's no CBA, so there's no set time table. Pilots go to the company and say WE want this. You don't even have to use the "U" word, they will figure that out by virtue of the pilots coming to them often enough. What are they going to do, make you work at a regional?
Agreed, pay is a problem. It is not enough and it will never be even close to correct or to major airline pay.
The company has no obligation to negotiate union or not. Look how's it's gone for all the guys with a union. In order for a union to be effective a pilot group needs leverage which none of us currently have although I "think" it's coming.
It's not leverage against the regional management I'm referring to, but leverage on mainline management. However, if the feed becomes too expensive then they do the flying themselves. This is what most of us (regional guys) are hoping will happen.
Read the Rand report.
The company has no obligation to negotiate union or not. Look how's it's gone for all the guys with a union. In order for a union to be effective a pilot group needs leverage which none of us currently have although I "think" it's coming.
It's not leverage against the regional management I'm referring to, but leverage on mainline management. However, if the feed becomes too expensive then they do the flying themselves. This is what most of us (regional guys) are hoping will happen.
Read the Rand report.
Why does it seem like no one is clamoring about having 10 days off? I don't think any regional other than Great Lakes has that few min days off!
Good news SP. Since we don't have a union and have an open door policy, send your question to MT, TT and SL. Let them know how unhappy you are with first year pay and how you can't afford to live. Let them know you want SAPA to get another offer to the pilots ASAP. They may ask why you accepted the job at a wage that is so unacceptable, but you could also be the hero for us all by getting a new offer by next week.
Are you guys at least pay protected if you don't extend?
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
Even for those of us who are paid for block, this is true. No point in flying fast either way. Especially when the company is telling us not to. So with it being equal, wouldn't you rather get block rather than historical block?
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Wow... Everyone here seems pretty angry... I thought I had my mind made up to apply at SW but I think I'm going to look at other regionals... Maybe I can find one that will pay me an extra $12,500 for my first year? I'm sure all the "clueless newbies" going to other carriers won't effect your QOL...
Also I'm not sure if anyone has told you but there is something you should know before seeking employment at SKW. It is a great company to work for as far as regionals are concerned and there are some good folks there flying the line. However the SKW group is known for having an "elitist" attitude among the regional ranks, and it is noticeable to those of us on the outside. I have heard many a rant from gate agents, hotel van drivers, and front desk clerks regarding the perceived rudeness of the crews. They aren't exactly known for being a friendly bunch. Just know that going in
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Wow... Everyone here seems pretty angry... I thought I had my mind made up to apply at SW but I think I'm going to look at other regionals... Maybe I can find one that will pay me an extra $12,500 for my first year? I'm sure all the "clueless newbies" going to other carriers won't effect your QOL...
It allows them to not give you raises in year 2 and beyond and other QOL improvements.
The only regional that has got it right so far is Endeavor that raised everyone's payscale $20,000/year.
You have to approach APC with the attitude that 95% of what you read on here is endless ranting, 3% foolish nonsense (usually from the resident trolls), and 2% of actual useful info.
Also I'm not sure if anyone has told you but there is something you should know before seeking employment at SKW. It is a great company to work for as far as regionals are concerned and there are some good folks there flying the line. However the SKW group is known for having an "elitist" attitude among the regional ranks, and it is noticeable to those of us on the outside. I have heard many a rant from gate agents, hotel van drivers, and front desk clerks regarding the perceived rudeness of the crews. They aren't exactly known for being a friendly bunch. Just know that going in
Also I'm not sure if anyone has told you but there is something you should know before seeking employment at SKW. It is a great company to work for as far as regionals are concerned and there are some good folks there flying the line. However the SKW group is known for having an "elitist" attitude among the regional ranks, and it is noticeable to those of us on the outside. I have heard many a rant from gate agents, hotel van drivers, and front desk clerks regarding the perceived rudeness of the crews. They aren't exactly known for being a friendly bunch. Just know that going in
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You have to approach APC with the attitude that 95% of what you read on here is endless ranting, 3% foolish nonsense (usually from the resident trolls), and 2% of actual useful info.
Also I'm not sure if anyone has told you but there is something you should know before seeking employment at SKW. It is a great company to work for as far as regionals are concerned and there are some good folks there flying the line. However the SKW group is known for having an "elitist" attitude among the regional ranks, and it is noticeable to those of us on the outside. I have heard many a rant from gate agents, hotel van drivers, and front desk clerks regarding the perceived rudeness of the crews. They aren't exactly known for being a friendly bunch. Just know that going in
Also I'm not sure if anyone has told you but there is something you should know before seeking employment at SKW. It is a great company to work for as far as regionals are concerned and there are some good folks there flying the line. However the SKW group is known for having an "elitist" attitude among the regional ranks, and it is noticeable to those of us on the outside. I have heard many a rant from gate agents, hotel van drivers, and front desk clerks regarding the perceived rudeness of the crews. They aren't exactly known for being a friendly bunch. Just know that going in
This is a pretty big airline though... 3500 pilots, so you're bound to have some tools in the bunch. Overall, I've met some great people and have some good friends here now. As with any group, I think it depends on the person. Anybody throwing absolutes around about any pilot group is naive, and quite frankly should hang out in the TOTD thread.
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However the SKW group is known for having an "elitist" attitude among the regional ranks, and it is noticeable to those of us on the outside. I have heard many a rant from gate agents, hotel van drivers, and front desk clerks regarding the perceived rudeness of the crews. They aren't exactly known for being a friendly bunch. Just know that going in
One huge issue with Skywest pilots is that they're an apathetic and complacent group. Most people I fly with have no idea what's going on at other regionals and don't care. Most don't read the forums, most don't post here and most out in the west coast bases have never even heard of Endeavor, PSA or Piedmont. The pay votes don't even get an 80% voter turnout, and the SAPA rep votes hardly get a 30% voter turnout. Skywest pilots don't get fired up and pull out the pitchforks like pilots at some other companies.
As a Skywest FO who commutes on other regionals to get to work this is pretty much the opposite of what I've seen. I've been based in 3 domiciles on two airplanes and can only name about two captains I don't like. When I jumpseat to work on other carriers it's about 50/50 whether the crew is good or rude and arrogant. I think I'd much rather work with the Skywest captains I know than the ones I've met in a lot of jumpseats.
One huge issue with Skywest pilots is that they're an apathetic and complacent group. Most people I fly with have no idea what's going on at other regionals and don't care. Most don't read the forums, most don't post here and most out in the west coast bases have never even heard of Endeavor, PSA or Piedmont. The pay votes don't even get an 80% voter turnout, and the SAPA rep votes hardly get a 30% voter turnout. Skywest pilots don't get fired up and pull out the pitchforks like pilots at some other companies.
One huge issue with Skywest pilots is that they're an apathetic and complacent group. Most people I fly with have no idea what's going on at other regionals and don't care. Most don't read the forums, most don't post here and most out in the west coast bases have never even heard of Endeavor, PSA or Piedmont. The pay votes don't even get an 80% voter turnout, and the SAPA rep votes hardly get a 30% voter turnout. Skywest pilots don't get fired up and pull out the pitchforks like pilots at some other companies.
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As a Skywest FO who commutes on other regionals to get to work this is pretty much the opposite of what I've seen. I've been based in 3 domiciles on two airplanes and can only name about two captains I don't like. When I jumpseat to work on other carriers it's about 50/50 whether the crew is good or rude and arrogant. I think I'd much rather work with the Skywest captains I know than the ones I've met in a lot of jumpseats.
One huge issue with Skywest pilots is that they're an apathetic and complacent group. Most people I fly with have no idea what's going on at other regionals and don't care. Most don't read the forums, most don't post here and most out in the west coast bases have never even heard of Endeavor, PSA or Piedmont. The pay votes don't even get an 80% voter turnout, and the SAPA rep votes hardly get a 30% voter turnout. Skywest pilots don't get fired up and pull out the pitchforks like pilots at some other companies.
One huge issue with Skywest pilots is that they're an apathetic and complacent group. Most people I fly with have no idea what's going on at other regionals and don't care. Most don't read the forums, most don't post here and most out in the west coast bases have never even heard of Endeavor, PSA or Piedmont. The pay votes don't even get an 80% voter turnout, and the SAPA rep votes hardly get a 30% voter turnout. Skywest pilots don't get fired up and pull out the pitchforks like pilots at some other companies.
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