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05-22-2015, 02:06 PM
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And to add onto my earlier post...
Most of what we'd like is QOL gains. Sure our hourly rates are towards the top compared to other regionals, but most of us need time off. Even if we got a few bucks an hour added onto our respective longevity rates it wouldn't make much of a big difference at the end of the year. What we really need is more time at our homes or better trip efficiency. That's worth way more than a little bit of money. You can always make more money you can't get your time back once it's gone.
Most of what we'd like is QOL gains. Sure our hourly rates are towards the top compared to other regionals, but most of us need time off. Even if we got a few bucks an hour added onto our respective longevity rates it wouldn't make much of a big difference at the end of the year. What we really need is more time at our homes or better trip efficiency. That's worth way more than a little bit of money. You can always make more money you can't get your time back once it's gone.
05-22-2015, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
so you have no specific points about what to improve? ok then i can just assume that you were someone who expected well i dont know what you want which is what im trying to find out
just curious how exactly would i know when the last vote took place? maybe you can point me to the correct location for this information?
thanks
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
just curious how exactly would i know when the last vote took place? maybe you can point me to the correct location for this information?
thanks
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
Last vote took place 2 years ago. Bro FO pay raise. There are not too many Bro FOs or Bros still around. Management kept that little gem to themselves.
A first year pay raise is a recruiting incentive. If OO really wants to incentivize perspective pilots they'll offer a signing bonus. If they are interested in maintaining their staff of pilots, they will offer a retention incentive.
A first year pay raise excluding the pilots who have more time in the LAV than you or I have in our logbook is a slap in their face.
QOL is what plots want and while that first year payraise seems enticing, a QOL improvement is worth more.
05-22-2015, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
Yes! A revered place for the currently employed.
I find it strange that someone who is looking at a company as a perspective employer would trash it so vehemently on a public forum prior to being employed.
I would say that is a generational thing, but you have portrayed yourself to be of middle-age. Your behavior seems to be more representative of a "millenial".
Just an observation. To each his own.
I find it strange that someone who is looking at a company as a perspective employer would trash it so vehemently on a public forum prior to being employed.
I would say that is a generational thing, but you have portrayed yourself to be of middle-age. Your behavior seems to be more representative of a "millenial".
Just an observation. To each his own.
05-22-2015, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
so you have no specific points about what to improve? ok then i can just assume that you were someone who expected well i dont know what you want which is what im trying to find out
just curious how exactly would i know when the last vote took place? maybe you can point me to the correct location for this information?
thanks
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
just curious how exactly would i know when the last vote took place? maybe you can point me to the correct location for this information?
thanks
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
- Reserve Proffering (Been promised for going on 6 years now)
- Pilot input on pairings
- Better vacation accrual
- Minimum reserve coverage Ratio of required reserves/lineholders (Like ASA has)
- COLA for each year
- International Per Diem (since we fly to international destinations)
- Transparency with PBS (Time and a half for all hours forced over 83)
05-22-2015, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chazbird
I am interested in Skywest because I am considering making it a long (longish?) term, career end situation. No other regional appeals or works for me in that regard. I am doing my due diligence here with people who work there, trying to see how they negotiate, what they think, etc. I am not trashing it. Pay needs to be better short and long term, but if it improves its not out of line for me, even if it is less than ideal for a family person. The erosion of days off and QOL are also of a concern. That's why I become interested when people here tell me the company laughs at them when they go and try and tell them what they want. Concern/interest, vs trashing. Apologies if it came out otherwise.
Regarding due diligence, this forum is not the best source. The "contributors" run the gamete of personalities but most are disgruntled and they represent a very finite percentage.
QOL is degrading throughout the regional model. Pay has always been less than desirable or deserved. This career is only viable to very few for longevity. For most it was idealized as a stepping stone and many have gotten stuck waiting for the golden ticket.
Come into this industry with a measure of cynicism and humility. Understand you will work like a dog and get paid like one...scraps.
At the end of the day, grease it on and go get a cold one....or don't grease it on and still get a cold one.
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05-22-2015, 02:36 PM
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Qol decreasing throughout regionals because regionals have to do more with less pilots. Skywest is a great place to get your time, stay a while or get out if that's your goal.
05-22-2015, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
so you have no specific points about what to improve? ok then i can just assume that you were someone who expected well i dont know what you want which is what im trying to find out
I mentioned it in a previous post where I also quoted you. This package offered a ridiculously small amount of increase in pay rates over 4 years. Average increase of only .5% a year. Historically we've averaged 1% or more. Even 1% is crap.
just curious how exactly would i know when the last vote took place? maybe you can point me to the correct location for this information?
thanks You stated a new agreement would take years to get. That hasn't happened in the past. Why would you make a statement like that? Go to the SAPA forums, ask questions, educate yourself. Ask questions of the captains you fly with. The more senior the better. btw 10-12 years might be senior in ORD, but is really junior on the west coast.
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
I mentioned it in a previous post where I also quoted you. This package offered a ridiculously small amount of increase in pay rates over 4 years. Average increase of only .5% a year. Historically we've averaged 1% or more. Even 1% is crap.
just curious how exactly would i know when the last vote took place? maybe you can point me to the correct location for this information?
thanks You stated a new agreement would take years to get. That hasn't happened in the past. Why would you make a statement like that? Go to the SAPA forums, ask questions, educate yourself. Ask questions of the captains you fly with. The more senior the better. btw 10-12 years might be senior in ORD, but is really junior on the west coast.
** oh and i forgot. In choosing this regional well yes I was thinking about longer than the first 12 months though if I get this bitter from working here maybe not but the pay is already better than everyone 2nd year and beyond so what did you want? thats the crux of it.
There's a mile long list of improvements the company could make to QOL issues. They aren't doing anything to improve them right now. None of that was addressed in this package either.
05-22-2015, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chazbird
I am interested in Skywest because I am considering making it a long (longish?) term, career end situation. No other regional appeals or works for me in that regard. I am doing my due diligence here with people who work there, trying to see how they negotiate, what they think, etc. I am not trashing it. Pay needs to be better short and long term, but if it improves its not out of line for me, even if it is less than ideal for a family person. The erosion of days off and QOL are also of a concern. That's why I become interested when people here tell me the company laughs at them when they go and try and tell them what they want. Concern/interest, vs trashing. Apologies if it came out otherwise.
I made the same decision as you, I came to SkyWest because I figured it was a better place IF I got stuck here long term. Well I can honestly say it's been a lot tougher than I expected, but I am still enjoying my time and overall feel this is the best regional to be at. Really good people at this company, they're just not posting on this board. I'd say negativity is still the exception not the rule.
05-22-2015, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah
Here you need some more education as well. Those pay graphs SAPA puts out are pretty, but realize we get paid historical credit, not block. Every airline out there gets paid block except us.
I'm sure you know that already, but I am posting this to clarify since the terms can be confusing for a new person.
05-22-2015, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by M20EPilot
Credit is historical block. Your minimum pay for a flight is historical block. If the flight takes longer, you're paid the greater of the two (so why rush?).
I'm sure you know that already, but I am posting this to clarify since the terms can be confusing for a new person.
I'm sure you know that already, but I am posting this to clarify since the terms can be confusing for a new person.
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