I just have to ask. If you were in a OO class, what on earth could make you want to jump to an airline that invites people to class without so much as a phone interview?? And at least to this noob, Skywest and Horizon seem like the two best regionals out there. I can't remotely imagine ditching a OO class to go to Mesa.

 

Right, valid point, but Im 3 years in at OO and nowhere close to an upgrade. I enjoy a good QOL living in base but realistically I am looking at 3+ more years before I had hope of seeing the left seat. If I lived in a Mesa base, and thought I could see the left seat in 2-3 years total, I would at least have to look into it a littler closer. Maybe TPIC won't matter in the future, but for now it still does.

 

Agh the good ole training center rumors..... It wouldn't be fun without them lol.

 

Just curious if your $1K/block figure is missing anything? The recent EAS bids that skywest put in (e.g. for VEL) stated the bro was more like 1600/hr (I can't remember, exactly) to operate. Still pretty cheap considering you can haul close to 30 folks.

 

Sure, $1600/hr sounds right. You want to make a profit. was just running the sheer cost of breaking even.

Even at $1600/hr with an average 80% load factor of 24 people is $67 per person, per hour. That's pretty reasonable.

 

Why would that be a sticking point? I think the idea is to help staff all the UAX regionals across the board, not just a favored few.

 

I honestly don't think a flow through would be a good thing, especially for anyone junior. Right now even in the first wave United has hired a few FOs and plenty of junior captains. If we had flow through then anyone at the bottom of the list would get stuck waiting in line while the senior captains decide whether to take or pass up their flow numbers.

Having no flow through gives the FOs and junior captains more of a fighting chance at getting these slots rather than waiting 10 more years at $44/hour for their flow number to come up.

Having flow also gives Skywest or other regionals too much power. When American Eagle started hurting for pilots one of the first things they did was meter their flow throughs to AA to keep pilots on property. I want the power to be able to apply to the jobs I want and be able to quit my job when I want without the company being able to tell me to wait in line.

 

Good man. Someone thinking outside the box.

 

Guys the current E-120 cost is $20-$22 per minute, that's around $1200-$1320 an hr.

As far as the E-120 flying, they’ve been saying SLC will be reduced and close for the better part of a decade but yet it remains. We have flying out of there that the RJ can’t do and as long as those cities cover our loses, we will continue to go there. In other words, we’re not losing money we’re just not making as much as they’d like. Which means over time as they start having real issues filling seats they might dump the E120 flying in order to be able to staff their jets.

 

It's not that they're trying to poach those already in class, they're trying to get their hands on those who are interviewing. It’s truly easy; just look for the guys/gals in suits pulling their luggage, offer them a class and there you have it. If SkyWest says no to them or the interviewee isn’t willing to wait for an answer, Mesa has a new hire.