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07-10-2014 | 06:54 PM
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Um okay. Not sure if that response was to my question or not. IAH has some -200 flying. Someone said it's going away in September. I asked how he found that out. Then I asked if the -200 flying, as in the block hours, will be picked up by EV again. Meaning is another 50 seat operator coming into IAH? Then I stated that the SKW IAH base was originally suppose to be a big base, but that never happened. The SKW IAH base is the biggest it ever has been right now, at about 113 crews.
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Originally Posted by Nevets
But you go ahead and keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. But if you really want to help, instead of supposedly supporting us not taking concessions (not true with that last vote you guys had in that cost neutral deal), then certify SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent and take a seat at the real negotiating table where SAPA's fiduciary responsibility actually has real law backing. Then get back to us here at XJT.
Who's going to put in the time and money it would take to certify SAPA? You can keep telling us to certify SAPA and people can even be in favor of it but the fact is that it would cost way too much time and money for a regional pilot group to be able to get done. Combine that with the fact that all of the majors are hiring and half of the team that attempts to organize it would bail for a major before it's complete. Anyone with the motivation to put in the kind of work it would take to certify SAPA would most definitely have the connections and motivation to get a major class date within the next year.
There's probably a much better shot at Skywest going with ALPA than actually certifying SAPA. Unfortunately most of the more senior people who were motivated and pro-ALPA have already left to go to the majors. The senior lifers who are anti-ALPA and the junior pilots who are trying to get away from the regionals are left. I don't see a union drive anytime soon.
Originally Posted by Nevets
But you go ahead and keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. But if you really want to help, instead of supposedly supporting us not taking concessions (not true with that last vote you guys had in that cost neutral deal), then certify SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent and take a seat at the real negotiating table where SAPA's fiduciary responsibility actually has real law backing. Then get back to us here at XJT.
Who's going to put in the time and money it would take to certify SAPA? You can keep telling us to certify SAPA and people can even be in favor of it but the fact is that it would cost way too much time and money for a regional pilot group to be able to get done. Combine that with the fact that all of the majors are hiring and half of the team that attempts to organize it would bail for a major before it's complete. Anyone with the motivation to put in the kind of work it would take to certify SAPA would most definitely have the connections and motivation to get a major class date within the next year.
There's probably a much better shot at Skywest going with ALPA than actually certifying SAPA. Unfortunately most of the more senior people who were motivated and pro-ALPA have already left to go to the majors. The senior lifers who are anti-ALPA and the junior pilots who are trying to get away from the regionals are left. I don't see a union drive anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Anyway, XJT would still exist either way. If it wasn't Skywest, it would've been someone else. UAL wasn't about to let 70,000 block hours of feed disappear.
People always feel like the world will stop if they don't come to work. It's a rude awakening when you finally realize no one noticed.
We could all name a dozen airlines with more weight than xjt ever had that are now gone.
OO pulled xjt back from the edge, but you keep telling yourself what you need too. Those that know, know. Your airline was very close to being a blip in history.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Anyway, XJT would still exist either way. If it wasn't Skywest, it would've been someone else. UAL wasn't about to let 70,000 block hours of feed disappear.
People always feel like the world will stop if they don't come to work. It's a rude awakening when you finally realize no one noticed.
We could all name a dozen airlines with more weight than xjt ever had that are now gone.
OO pulled xjt back from the edge, but you keep telling yourself what you need too. Those that know, know. Your airline was very close to being a blip in history.
As for not coming to work, this place could close it's doors tomorrow and I'm 100% positive I will land on my feet. So I'm not worried about. I sleep fine at night.
07-10-2014 | 08:09 PM
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Um it is OUR -200 flying in which United assigned to us for this month. Take things out of context much? SKW is flying the -200 on some routes in IAH. "Our -200 flying." XJT is flying the 145 on other routes out of Houston. YOUR -145 flying.
Um it is OUR -200 flying in which United assigned to us for this month. Take things out of context much? SKW is flying the -200 on some routes in IAH. "Our -200 flying." XJT is flying the 145 on other routes out of Houston. YOUR -145 flying.
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07-10-2014 | 09:31 PM
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Pretty sure ALL the flying belongs to the mainline pilots of United... Who have, unfortunately, elected to give it away. That's another can of worms tho.
Seriously who cares about semantics. These inter-regional battles are getting pathetic.
Seriously who cares about semantics. These inter-regional battles are getting pathetic.
07-10-2014 | 11:21 PM
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Trick question?
07-11-2014 | 02:52 AM
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Soon it won't even be "their -145 flying." Aint that right, Nevets?
07-11-2014 | 03:06 AM
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I was in the room in May 2008 when JA told us we would be in BK in 6 months. The fact is that even if we were in the verge of going over the edge, Skywest saw value in buying XJT before that might happen. Either that or they didn't want to risk another 2 years or more to see if it would happen because CAL/UAL wouldn't let their biggest feed dissolve in a bk anyway.
It's doesn't matter a lot to line pilots I guess. We just come to work and do our job. It's just infuriating to hear people spreading, heck building, a myth of a healthy XJT.
07-11-2014 | 06:51 AM
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:facepalm: seriously?
Um it is OUR -200 flying in which United assigned to us for this month. Take things out of context much? SKW is flying the -200 on some routes in IAH. "Our -200 flying." XJT is flying the 145 on other routes out of Houston. YOUR -145 flying.
Um it is OUR -200 flying in which United assigned to us for this month. Take things out of context much? SKW is flying the -200 on some routes in IAH. "Our -200 flying." XJT is flying the 145 on other routes out of Houston. YOUR -145 flying.
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Originally Posted by saxman66
:facepalm: seriously?
Um it is OUR -200 flying in which United assigned to us for this month. Take things out of context much? SKW is flying the -200 on some routes in IAH. "Our -200 flying." XJT is flying the 145 on other routes out of Houston. YOUR -145 flying.
Soon it won't even be "their -145 flying." Aint that right, Nevets?
Originally Posted by saxman66
:facepalm: seriously?
Um it is OUR -200 flying in which United assigned to us for this month. Take things out of context much? SKW is flying the -200 on some routes in IAH. "Our -200 flying." XJT is flying the 145 on other routes out of Houston. YOUR -145 flying.
Soon it won't even be "their -145 flying." Aint that right, Nevets?
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I was in the room in May 2008 when JA told us we would be in BK in 6 months. The fact is that even if we were in the verge of going over the edge, Skywest saw value in buying XJT before that might happen. Either that or they didn't want to risk another 2 years or more to see if it would happen because CAL/UAL wouldn't let their biggest feed dissolve in a bk anyway.
Thank you for saying this. So many XJT guys walk around like there was some magic success with branded flying and you guys weren't bleeding cash hand over fist.
It's doesn't matter a lot to line pilots I guess. We just come to work and do our job. It's just infuriating to hear people spreading, heck building, a myth of a healthy XJT.
Originally Posted by Nevets
I was in the room in May 2008 when JA told us we would be in BK in 6 months. The fact is that even if we were in the verge of going over the edge, Skywest saw value in buying XJT before that might happen. Either that or they didn't want to risk another 2 years or more to see if it would happen because CAL/UAL wouldn't let their biggest feed dissolve in a bk anyway.
Thank you for saying this. So many XJT guys walk around like there was some magic success with branded flying and you guys weren't bleeding cash hand over fist.
It's doesn't matter a lot to line pilots I guess. We just come to work and do our job. It's just infuriating to hear people spreading, heck building, a myth of a healthy XJT.
Last edited by Nevets; 07-11-2014 at 07:01 AM.
07-11-2014 | 06:57 AM
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07-11-2014 | 05:05 PM
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From: sea-are-jay
Hey everyone.. Sorry to throw this "unrelated" question into such a serious conversation. I was talking to a friend at a different regional who said they are on a 28 day bid period, I heard SkyWest is on monthly bid. New to the regionals, I can only think of things better with a 13 cycle year... 11 more days off, 75 +,- 5 more hours pay per year. What are the advantages to doing it like SkyWest? And sorry if any of my information is incorrect, it came from talking to other people.
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