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nopantsILS 03-02-2018 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2540963)
I bet a LGA 175 base would be super junior, almost new hire junior. Look at how hard of a time Envoy is having getting people to go to LGA.

Nah. 175 CA is at 2300/4600 right now. There’s plenty of young guys who would put in the bid.

nopantsILS 03-02-2018 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2541647)
To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?

Bunch of Austrailian new hires in the 175. Great guys, but they’re recruiting from half a world away.

flysooner9 03-03-2018 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2541647)
To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?

My interview group was 3 CFI’s, one military, 2 prior 121

rickair7777 03-03-2018 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2541647)
To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?

I hear there are more foriegners, but there were always a few.

I definitely saw more career-changers in the last few years, but many of them were retired from the previous gig, or had a business that ran with minimal oversight. The "retirees" typically end up at SKW because they want the bases, either Cali or the Rockies. Being multi-millionaires, they typically aren't too worried about FO pay. They aren't going to move or commute to NY for an extra $15k.

Their IDGAF attitude helps with QOL, they can call in when they want to and not worry about getting in trouble. Reality is the company might fire a flagrant abuser to make an example, but they can't afford to fire everybody... especially people who mostly show up and do their job, and are not applying to majors.

WesternSkies 03-05-2018 07:38 PM

Good point, I could totally see 2nd career pilots being a major source of OO pilot recruiting. A 50 year old pilot with 1500 1-hour Cessna flights is (mostly) going to be ride this ship into the sunset for 15 years.
Letting that pilot sink or swim through training would definitely be a good risk-reward for company.

Rocksteady 03-06-2018 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2543834)
Good point, I could totally see 2nd career pilots being a major source of OO pilot recruiting. A 50 year old pilot with 1500 1-hour Cessna flights is (mostly) going to be ride this ship into the sunset for 15 years.
Letting that pilot sink or swim through training would definitely be a good risk-reward for company.

There was 5 of these types in my initial. Not one made it out of training.

Cefiro 03-06-2018 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Rocksteady (Post 2544106)
There was 5 of these types in my initial. Not one made it out of training.

Yep, these are the guys who struggle the most. We had 3 in my new hire class and they all washed out.

rickair7777 03-06-2018 03:58 PM

These days the company will run them up the flagpole and see what happens.

If they make it a year, good chance they'll stay for 10+

flysooner9 03-07-2018 07:17 PM

When do the next bid results come out?

LAX2MSP 03-07-2018 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2545675)
When do the next bid results come out?

Around the 19th in the afternoon. Bids havent even opened up yet though. That happens on the 10th and it closes the 17th


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