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Check Complete 03-21-2018 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by popNfresh (Post 2556033)
“Why limit yourself to one major airline”. -SkyWest

Which really translate to

You’re on your own Sh*tbags

But think about it, why would you want a legally enforceable contract when we have the coveted “open door policy”?

Sadly, there many here that have little to no industry knowledge of what other airlines have. The sheep of Utah believe what their management tells them!

DelTacoBowl 03-22-2018 07:53 AM

Don't disagree with this as at all, flow is good, and should be pursued. BUT, I do wonder what happens as the pilot shortage worsens and majors feel pressure to keep their regionals manned? For example, the recent past with Horizon. Their must have been pressure on AS to NOT poach their own Horizon guys. I have heard Horizon pilots say something to that effect that they feel they are at a disadvantage getting hired at AS.
Taco


Originally Posted by 93Sierra (Post 2556016)
So now Mesa even had a "flow" program. Yes I know it's not a true flow like the AA wholy owned 's, but every carrier that has a CPP/Flow/ preferential interview etc. puts us at a disadvantage. 1) Class spots at XYX major are harder to come by as a percentage will be filled by those people. 2) If a pilot wanted to go to an airline that we had an agreement with, it would help with senority stagnation at the top aka lifers 3) Another reason to go somewhere else.

I know that flow/Cpp programs are sold as something awesome, yet the data shows it takes a while, however it's a nice thing to have in your back pocket/ another tool in the tool box.

Mesa gets one, yet we as the largest regional out there have nothing


rickair7777 03-22-2018 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by DelTacoBowl (Post 2556393)
Don't disagree with this as at all, flow is good, and should be pursued. BUT, I do wonder what happens as the pilot shortage worsens and majors feel pressure to keep their regionals manned? For example, the recent past with Horizon. Their must have been pressure on AS to NOT poach their own Horizon guys. I have heard Horizon pilots say something to that effect that they feel they are at a disadvantage getting hired at AS.
Taco

It definitely happened with DAL and OO during the last big boom. Nothing hypothetical about it, majors are not going to shoot their own regional feed in the foot if push comes to shove. Nothing illegal about it.

But there won't be any big announcement, you'll never know when STOPLOSS is in effect.

domino 03-22-2018 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Cefiro (Post 2554880)
I have no idea why people keep bringing up a commuter clause. If I had to take 3 flights, I’d have to come in the night before a trip every week. As long as your smart about it and don’t call out every week, they are pretty understanding.

It’s not about you. It’s about the majority. Sucks to be in the minority, but a commuter clause will work for most people. Will be fighting for it soon.

rickair7777 03-22-2018 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by domino (Post 2556461)
It’s not about you. It’s about the majority. Sucks to be in the minority, but a commuter clause will work for most people. Will be fighting for it soon.

There are many things which could be done to improve SKW, relative to recent industry developments. But I think you'll be end up wishing you had spent the negotiating capital on something other than a commuter clause which will have strings attached... the company is simply not going to let every commuter call off one trip per month carte blanche.

Westernflight 03-22-2018 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2556468)
There are many things which could be done to improve SKW, relative to recent industry developments. But I think you'll be end up wishing you had spent the negotiating capital on something other than a commuter clause which will have strings attached... the company is simply not going to let every commuter call off one trip per month carte blanche.

Look at the new proffering policy as a perfect example. New “policies” here with the intent of improving QOL usually do the opposite. Be careful what you wish for and remember who’s writing in the loopholes.

GearUpHeadDown 03-26-2018 05:53 PM

UPGRADE QUESTION..

When are you considered to be based at your new domicile as a CA? I have an event in June that I'm currently using golden days for and I have to be there. Would I be able to use move days in place of those if they aren't available?

rickair7777 03-26-2018 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by GearUpHeadDown (Post 2559461)
UPGRADE QUESTION..

When are you considered to be based at your new domicile as a CA? I have an event in June that I'm currently using golden days for and I have to be there. Would I be able to use move days in place of those if they aren't available?

Vacay and golden days are deleted on day one of training. At some point you'll be allowed to bid for them in the new position, not sure if that's after IOE (probably).

Move days I think are "mutually agreeable" which means "at the convenience of CS".

If the timing works, you might try to get IOE scheduled around the event. Since IOE is not really seniority driven, that girl can be flexible.

Simpsons 03-27-2018 05:41 PM

Once you're awarded an upgrade if you put in for vacation and gold days you are put into the captain list. I start class next month, put in for gold and vacation days for May after the award, and was put on the captain wait list.

cft21 03-28-2018 05:50 PM

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