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Paid2fly 04-10-2018 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by chitolin (Post 2568726)
RJ runs a tight ship! :)












:rolleyes::rolleyes:

N1234 04-10-2018 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by redbone (Post 2568713)
Are there really no leaks as to what the pay package entails?!? I figured someone would elude to something without explicitly violating the NDA.

prepare to be underwhelmed.... followed by some artificial pressure from SAPA along the lines of

"... we are leaving millions on the table by not voting in this [abysmal] raise right now. Who knows if/when the company will come back again"

The key will be to resist any scare tactics and at least see what the next offer will be. I seriously doubt that they have no plan B and C before the go nuclear.

DelTacoBowl 04-10-2018 08:22 AM

4588 pilots on the seniority list today. That is a decrease from a high of 4670..ish, I think in Jan/Feb. I haven't seen attrition like that since I have been here. No getting to the west coast without descent time through ATL etc. East coast Regional's pay better. SGU better pony up some cash or they might be in trouble. CRJ community is already stretched thin.
Bowl



Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2568870)
prepare to be underwhelmed.... followed by some artificial pressure from SAPA along the lines of

"... we are leaving millions on the table by not voting in this [abysmal] raise right now. Who knows if/when the company will come back again"

The key will be to resist any scare tactics and at least see what the next offer will be. I seriously doubt that they have no plan B and C before the go nuclear.


Squallrider 04-10-2018 09:55 AM

What was presented to reps, was turned down so you can imagine it wasn’t the best

trip 04-10-2018 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by DelTacoBowl (Post 2569051)
4588 pilots on the seniority list today. That is a decrease from a high of 4670..ish, I think in Jan/Feb. I haven't seen attrition like that since I have been here. No getting to the west coast without descent time through ATL etc. East coast Regional's pay better. SGU better pony up some cash or they might be in trouble. CRJ community is already stretched thin.
Bowl

Yes, April is going to be ugly. Will need some classes of 50+ a week to stem the tide and bulk up for summer schedule!
Maybe some kind of retention program is in the works?

rickair7777 04-10-2018 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2569166)
Maybe some kind of retention program is in the works?

Retention? They might be able to retain a few lifers who are on the fence (there are a bunch of them now), but for most of the pilots, looking at 20-30 years at a legacy there's no way SKW could offer enough incentive. When I left they would have had to write me a check for several million to make me stay, and even that wouldn't have been a good idea on my part because money can't buy QOL.

metx192 04-10-2018 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2569253)
Retention? They might be able to retain a few lifers who are on the fence (there are a bunch of them now), but for most of the pilots, looking at 20-30 years at a legacy there's no way SKW could offer enough incentive. When I left they would have had to write me a check for several million to make me stay, and even that wouldn't have been a good idea on my part because money can't buy QOL.

I don't think they'll ever be able to keep someone from going to a legacy. But I wonder what it would take to retain someone intending to make an intermediate hop to a ULCC.

Excargodog 04-10-2018 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by metx192 (Post 2569259)
I don't think they'll ever be able to keep someone from going to a legacy. But I wonder what it would take to retain someone intending to make an intermediate hop to a ULCC.

For how many years? I think 2nd year FO pay at Spirit exceeds first year pay for most upgrading regional captains.

EngineOut 04-10-2018 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2569166)
Yes, April is going to be ugly. Will need some classes of 50+ a week to stem the tide and bulk up for summer schedule!
Maybe some kind of retention program is in the works?

I was a lifer on the fence. The only place I could see going was SWA. I think we have seen SkyWest peak in this environment. I took the plunge and was fortunate enough to be hired by SWA.

If (when) the economy goes south, I would rather be stuck at SkyWest than any other regional.

This won't last forever. I think SkyWest is gambling on that. They are very conservative and very smart. If the execs' gamble is wrong, they will get axed.

rickair7777 04-10-2018 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by EngineOut (Post 2569302)

This won't last forever. I think SkyWest is gambling on that. They are very conservative and very smart. If the execs' gamble is wrong, they will get axed.

This is true, but they had better be on their knees praying for an economic collapse because if legacy hiring continues on the known retirement schedule every regional will be hosed in about five years (or less). Unless mainline steps in with an ab initio program involving some time at partner regional. But the legacies themselves might have to hire CFI's.


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