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Old 06-02-2016 | 08:23 AM
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So apparently everyone got the no KCM use during international travel (leisure ) message. United, we did I would assume all airlines. My question is *** and what is do about that?

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Old 06-02-2016 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rmcbear08
So ostensibly you're making less money your second year than your first year?
Most people don't think too far into the future. The airlines love it and can use it to get new hires. Lots of CFIs only look at first year pay and upgrade times. They never look at 2nd, 3rd, 4th year pay or captain pay.

I had a CFI friend once ask me why I wanted to go to Skywest because they paid $22/hour when Republic paid $24/hour. I pointed out that 2nd year pay at Skywest was $37.50 and 2nd year pay at Republic was $29. He had no idea because it never occurred to him to think past first year.

Every new FO can tell me the first year pay at nearly every regional. I've rarely ever met a new FO who can tell me the captain pay or top out FO pay at any regional.
Old 06-02-2016 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
So apparently everyone got the no KCM use during international travel (leisure ) message. United, we did I would assume all airlines. My question is *** and what is do about that?
What do we do when TSA is seeing 3+ hour lines because they decreased staffing? That's right send more (of the lowest risk) people into the line!
Old 06-02-2016 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
So apparently everyone got the no KCM use during international travel (leisure ) message. United, we did I would assume all airlines. My question is *** and what is do about that?
This is to be in compliance with ICAO Annex 17.
Old 06-02-2016 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by zondaracer
This is to be in compliance with ICAO Annex 17.
***. Which is ? And how would they even know ? I'm doing tsa pre today or asking for it because I don't want to be the Guinea pig but seriously. Doesn't make any sense besides ****ing people right off
Old 06-02-2016 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
Most people don't think too far into the future. The airlines love it and can use it to get new hires. Lots of CFIs only look at first year pay and upgrade times. They never look at 2nd, 3rd, 4th year pay or captain pay.
And that's why I was asking about the bonus and if it was a yearly deal or not. Seems odd to me that you could actually be making less money after your first year, but I guess whatever gets them in the tent, right?

Originally Posted by Squallrider
Perhaps. but second year you also get more financial rewards
So it's basically a wash is what it sounds like.

Thanks for the answers! I've been a 135 guy my whole career and I've been looking to get some 121 time and I'm just trying to figure out realistic financials.
Old 06-02-2016 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rmcbear08
And that's why I was asking about the bonus and if it was a yearly deal or not. Seems odd to me that you could actually be making less money after your first year, but I guess whatever gets them in the tent, right?
Yes, the trick is to get people in the door. Once they are here (or anywhere else it) gets increasingly hard to leave because you are leaving "intangibles" aka seniority behind and you would have to start over ....

At that point, management has the pilot group by the b.... and they get away with lots of things that wouldn't fly in other industries.

Either way, I wouldn't worry so much about bonus, first year pay vs. second year pay etc.

I would pick a 121 carrier based on whether you can live in base and for how long you would be on reserve....
Old 06-02-2016 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rmcbear08
And that's why I was asking about the bonus and if it was a yearly deal or not. Seems odd to me that you could actually be making less money after your first year, but I guess whatever gets them in the tent, right?


So it's basically a wash is what it sounds like.

Thanks for the answers! I've been a 135 guy my whole career and I've been looking to get some 121 time and I'm just trying to figure out realistic financials.
No problem, to be conservative , whatever you make per hour x 1000 is what your income will be. I would recommend the CRJ for holding a line, the ERJ is a ? For when you'll hold a line , the over ride helps a little 2nd year. When researching pay you have to research the contract too, it's far deeper than hourly rate, some places don't have cancellation pay or don't pay 100% for deadheads.
Old 06-02-2016 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
No problem, to be conservative , whatever you make per hour x 1000 is what your income will be. I would recommend the CRJ for holding a line, the ERJ is a ? For when you'll hold a line , the over ride helps a little 2nd year. When researching pay you have to research the contract too, it's far deeper than hourly rate, some places don't have cancellation pay or don't pay 100% for deadheads.
Or like Skywest, only pays for scheduled dh. Overblocked on a dh by an hour? Sorry

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Old 06-02-2016 | 11:58 AM
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I would pick a 121 carrier based on whether you can live in base and for how long you would be on reserve....
Solid advice and that's exactly why I've been looking at SW; simply for the fact that I live in DEN. Thanks again!
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