and final piece of advice ...

go to a regional you could imagine yourself with for a while (5+ years). The quick in and out may happen but it may take a lot longer. Going into something you are not sold on and you only do to move on may get you stuck in a horrible place once things turn ugly.

 

So a rumor of reopening pay talks early.

No thanks.
Don't need the .25¢ like you need pilots.

 

Interesting if true.

I would favor QoL improvements over extra $

However, I bet this is all about first year pay again. Wee need to make sure the company doesn't pull a bonus pay outside the contract as so many others have done....

 

Or like SkyWest that pays on some made up number called credit instead of the industry standard block time.

My vote is for another Golden Day. Good to hear that SAPA is getting some negotiation training for when we ask for a raise on our allowance.

 

It's not a rumor. It was confirmed on the SAPA website, and 2 reps that I've spoken with. It's in the very beginning stages, nobody really knows what's going to come of it.

Chip and Mike flew out to DEN for the last SAPA meeting specifically to talk about opening up talks for re-negotiated pay before the current "agreement" is due.

According to the reps I spoke with, they were just talking in generalities, no specifics. Chip and Mike make it clear that the company wants to completely corner the market on new hire pilots. They asked SAPA in general terms what they would need to see to make it happen.

 

5 hours per duty day minimum.
12 days off minimum for line holders
Annual pay raises to keep us up with inflation like we used to have starting right now with 5% to make up for the last contract *cough* agreement.
Proffering for reserves.
When switching seats, domicile, aircraft you take awarded master vacation with you.
Predetermined reserve coverage system wide to allow x% people to drop trips or use vacation after bid award for their last minute plans.
150% pay on all open time within 5 day window i.e revoke the 115% and 130% brackets.
Honor seniority during bid awards.
Probably some other reserve improvements that reservists would be more qualified to ask for.

We need to go in for what we want and not accept the first or second offer if it's not good enough. This is a negotiation. If the company has come to us then they need something. Let's not buckle under threats of downsizing or other fear tactics.

We pilots don't need higher first year pay. We need quality of life improvements which include a mechanism to use all the vacation accrued that can never be used.

Airfix

 

Taking master vacation with you when you upgrade or switch doesn't honor seniority. You can't have it both ways.

Everything in open time within 5 days already pays 150%, so I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about.

 

Well, it also doesn't honor seniority when a 4 year fo transfers to a base and loses his vacation because a 1 year fo got it.

Not sure how to rectify the situation though

 

If I can hold master vacation over Christmas as a FO then go and upgrade and get to keep it over a bunch of captains that can't get it, that's doesn't honor seniority.. If your seniority can hold it in your new seat for sure, we should get to keep it but that situation would be the minority.

 

Would it? I disagree. I've faced one situation where that wasn't the case (bro-crj) and am about to face it again (crj-den)